Why are we nerfing Karma's shield?

LBmyBB·Jun 4, 2018·2 votes·1,269 views

It lasted 4 seconds and gave mvment speed. 4 seconds is not a lot for a support shield. I understand nerfing Lulu cuz her shield is like 50 years but Karma doesn't really have that strong of a shield without Aery unless you max it. Also will this affect defiance? I think at least that shield should last normal cuz its an ult. Not to mention that its shitty on nearby allies now.

9 Comments

jocomotionJun 5, 20182 votes

Riot wants all shielding abilities to have more counterplay so they’re more fair, but they’re nerfing a champion who’s already been subpar to do so. Which makes no sense cause Karma’s shield has one of the lowest values, has the lowest duration (and had the lowest duration anyway before this nerf). And was only ever considered strong when paired with her ULTIMATE ABILITY.

Honestly I think riots just continuously sweeping Karma under the rug. And forgetting her at this point. I’m still waiting for her gameplay update and lore update they promised like last year

FOR JUSTICEJun 4, 20181 votes

The key difference being lulu's is single target and grants on hit damage that can be body blocked. Karmas is AoE and makes a pretty good engage/escape. also lulus is only 2 seconds longer.

Edit: Also both have about the same AP scaling, but unlike lulu, karma wants a decent amout of AP in her build, like a mage support should, which thereby means karma's absorbs more damage. karma has a base mana of 374 while lulu has a base mana of 350. karma's shield costs less mana at all ranks, therefore making hers more spammable then lulu's.

LBmyBBJun 5, 20181 votes

I've played lulu where I can refresh the shield before it is even gone. This statement is false.

FOR JUSTICEJun 5, 20181 votes

Where did i state you couldnt refresh it before it expires? Heck, where did i mention refreshing it at all? XD

EschetonJun 5, 20181 votes

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I've played lulu where I can refresh the shield before it is even gone. This statement is false.

I too have played URF

LBmyBBJun 6, 20181 votes

no outside of urf

HyperiönJun 5, 20181 votes

Are you kidding me right now?

Shield with huge scaling and MS lasts for 4 seconds.

At lvl 5, it is on a 8 second CD. With 40-45% CDR, it is pretty much 100% uptime if it is not broken.

But go on, and tell me how it is not broken.

LBmyBBJun 6, 20181 votes

It's a shitty shield that no one maxes first, leaving it at its long cd. There are much more broken shields in the game than a small one with just a very short speed buff.

HyperiönJun 7, 20181 votes

People max it second.

It gives a 60% Non-decay MS buff for 1.5 seconds. A 170(+50% AP) Shield... Just as the base shield.

Her ult now grants everyone around the Speed buff, and 30% of the value shield goes to everyone near by as well.

That isn't taking in account ardent shield buff (10%), or the mastery that increases it by 5%. And if she so happens to buy a Mikael's as well, she gets even more bonus shield.

So yeah, it isn't just Karma, its shields in general.

But all shield spammers need to actually get timing down on when it is smart to use it, instead of spam, spam, spam, spam...

Edit: You mentioned Lulu in the post, I get it, her shield is higher base amount, and scaling. It doesn't grant the MS buff, she has to use another spell entirely for it.

It has a 10 second CD all ranks with 6 second uptime. With 40% CDR, always up.

Have we found the common factor? With so much CDR in the game, everyone shields are up near 100% when it comes to supports. That is very unhealthy for the game and has been complained about, not just by the boards, but pros and streamers for a long time.

Reducing shield duration on a global scale is much needed.