ADCs should not be able to drain tank you to death while dealing a shitton of damage

Kelg·Apr 20, 2018·8 votes·2,238 views

Things like and are terrible game design and should not be standard items on a class that's supposed to be squishy. [zombie-brand-facepalm]

28 Comments

Big LincolnApr 20, 201813 votes

ADCs don't build either of these items as a group, only kai'sa and draven buy DD

PD is bought almost entirely on melee carries

KelgApr 20, 20183 votes

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ADCs don't build either of these items as a group, only kai'sa and draven buy DD

PD is bought almost entirely on melee carries

still pretty cancer to deal with unless you can stunlock them for 5 seconds

SasogwaApr 20, 20185 votes

Meh. Damage is FAR more of a problem than lifesteal. And nerf damage => nerf lifesteal cause you lifesteal less if you deal less

NyarlathοtepApr 20, 2018

For now you mean. Lifesteal will always be a problem as long as its tied on damage dealt.

SasogwaApr 20, 20182 votes

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For now you mean. Lifesteal will always be a problem as long as its tied on damage dealt.

item 3076 item 3123 item 3165

Also it's reduced by armor since it's postmitigation dmg

I mean, I think adc's are bullshit ; but because of kits and crit items, not lifesteal items. Also not a lot of ADC's rush lifesteal, and they become a problem long before the lifesteal kicks in

NyarlathοtepApr 20, 20181 votes

Not every role can buy armour.

LeetriApr 20, 20181 votes

I didn't know Riot implemented a class restriction system for defensive items. What class are you even thinking of that don't have a single armour item?

NyarlathοtepApr 20, 2018

Oh i didnt know mages (with the exception of battle mages) can opt to buy armour. The only armour item most mages can buy is zhonyas, which is quite useless against adcs.

BiochemicalZombiApr 20, 20181 votes

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Not every role can buy armour.

“Ignores Executioners and morello”

NyarlathοtepApr 20, 2018

No i didnt. They indeed help restrict them. But should an adc build more than one (lifesteal item i mean) ( or there is a healer in their team) not even gw will suffice.

Timethief49Apr 20, 20184 votes

Standard? Deaths dance is sometimes build on kaisa, basicly no other adc and phantom dancer is basicly only build when they are full build and want to replace their boots.

5050BSApr 20, 20184 votes

LifeSteal, Crits and Shields is why ADC need MASSIVE nerfs

KelgApr 20, 20184 votes

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LifeSteal, Crits and Shields is why ADC need MASSIVE nerfs

Crits shouldnt be a thing at this point tbh

HarrowRApr 20, 20184 votes

If you can't kill an ADC 1v1 you're bad,end of discussion

KelgApr 20, 20181 votes

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If you can't kill an ADC 1v1 you're bad,end of discussion

Try killing a item 3139 item 3812 item 3046 item 3031 Draven as Mordekaiser 1v1 its impossible unless draven is braindead

HarrowRApr 20, 20181 votes

Give me ghost on Morde and ill kill him like a bug,also Morde is one of the champions that's in the worst state in the entire game,while Draven is always strong,still any assassin/fighter/mage worth his salt can usually kill him 1v1

KuwabaramulberryApr 20, 20183 votes

That's what you get for not ending the game in 15 minutes. Everyone knows late game starts at 12

KelgApr 20, 20181 votes

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That's what you get for not ending the game in 15 minutes. Everyone knows late game starts at 12

sad but true

BLIGHTBRINGERApr 20, 20182 votes

So you are suggesting that we should get rid of all offensive/defensive items?

item 3001 item 3102 item 3812 item 3046 item 3072 item 3040

KelgApr 20, 20181 votes

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So you are suggesting that we should get rid of all offensive/defensive items?

Im up for it

SwiftKitten88Apr 20, 20181 votes

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So you are suggesting that we should get rid of all offensive/defensive items?

item 3001 isnt offensive unless u count the aura..

BLIGHTBRINGERApr 20, 20181 votes

Yeah I only mentioned it specifically because of the aura.

FurriesAreHotApr 20, 20181 votes

The issue is the large amount of sustain runes grants, making it so you don’t need to go out of your way to buy a Bloodthirster

comedybingbongsApr 20, 20181 votes

An AD using that build is sacrificing a lot of damage that they could get from, say, IE + RF. Its a fair tradeoff.

heroikcApr 20, 20181 votes

Death's Dance? I think only two or three marksmen build them... Phantom Dancer? Not an immediate purchase...and not used by everyone.

SwiftKitten88Apr 20, 20181 votes

i mean i don't really see item 3046 as much of an issue

as u sacrifice AD to grab it, and it only vs one champsion

where as item 3812 once it was updated to 30% became absurd.

i really doint understand why people don't buy this more often... as it requires assaisn to needs ot deal 143% fatal damage to burst u down.

and because it also has absurd heal in the SAME ITEM you can then stop said damage by regening by attack and killing sais assains who just blew thier ENTIRE KIT trying to kill you.

i rember when as Nidalee i caught out a Twitch all alone in bot lane.. landed a max range spear on him from a bush, pounced and he lived because of this item and killed me..

i had 11 kills, he had 9

its really that fucking broken.

yet people don't realize this for some stupid reason

PurgëApr 21, 20182 votes

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i mean i don't really see as much of an issue

as u sacrifice AD to grab it, and it only vs one champsion

where as once it was updated to 30% became absurd.

i really doint understand why people don't buy this more often... as it requires assaisn to needs ot deal 143% fatal damage to burst u down.

and because it also has absurd heal in the SAME ITEM you can then stop said damage by regening by attack and killing sais assains who just blew thier ENTIRE KIT trying to kill you.

i rember when as i caught out a all alone in bot lane.. landed a max range spear on him from a bush, pounced and he lived because of this item and killed me..

i had 11 kills, he had 9

its really that fucking broken.

yet people don't realize this for some stupid reason

holy finaly someone who realize this i tough im the only one who think that this is bs

PurgëApr 21, 20181 votes

fucking riot decided to buff dd for all champs so ranged champs in addition to being ranged and hard to get to they now are drain tanks pd and dd combo is complet bs and shouldnt work on draven and kaisa , maybe lower the damage on the dd to something like 20 so they need to decide whether they want the tankiness or the damage