Nerf Ekko!

Project omen··42 votes·3,242 views

The fact that Ekko won a duel with item 3025 and item 3065 vs me as Vladimir with item 3065 and item 3152 is ridiculous! Nerf his base damages and buff his scalings. He is not supposed to be a tank! Or at least a tank with ridiculous damage. EDIT: I was level 9 with a maxed Q.

38 Comments

La Barbotte13 votes

they are acutally, but the sad thing is, its not ekko, its the items, ask akali, ask jayce, ask anyone, it works on any champ who has a reliable spell rotation with moderate CC/steroids and mobility

Midder Scray4 votes

This

Ekko isn't the problem. He's fair imo, but people will always find broken items to break champs

Marshbouy2 votes

its definitely ekko. Its the regen on his ult that makes him an issue along with the HUGE aoe stun. jayce and akali dont have that

Du Ma Mi1 votes

I play a lot of Akali, and let me tell you:

When it's level 14 for you, and you're already 1 shotting the enemy team with your lich, hextech, and abyssal.... you can just feel the power. Q-R-Auto-Repeat.

Marshbouy1 votes

I played two akali games and I was far from one shotting people. I need at least 2 ults. I was dealing damage, but it was because I was 8/2 at the time. She's unfair and very powerful. But not nearly as bad as ekko

Du Ma Mi1 votes

Well, I guess this was a tad out of context - I was extremely fed, so my Q-R-Auto was 1 shotting people. And by extremely fed, I mean around 16/2. So about twice as fed as you. And I guess anyone can at that kind of a fed level, but the raw power of akali even before that point was a tad ridiculous. But I love her, so Rito please don't nerf.

Marshbouy1 votes

yea. Fed=/=incredibly op champ/items still got downvoted to hell tho :(

Du Ma Mi1 votes

Don't get me wrong though, Akali might not have the utility of Ekko, but she's pretty overpowered.

Marshbouy1 votes

not gonna lie. she totally is. but she isn't quite pick/ban right now like ekko practically is

Oelyk1 votes

Jayce? sinse when is Jayce a hybrid tank? I really don't believe that Jayce fits under your category, because he has no base damage what-so-ever with the sole exception being his E being on a relatively long cd without buying cdr. Id love to see you make it work though.

btw it bugs me that you say its not Ekko then immediately say any champ with "reliable spell rotation with moderate CC/steroids and mobility" which is the definition of Ekko. His kit is the dream of any tank.(reliable gapcloser, massive speed sap, huge shields that stun and a reset button that heals.)

La Barbotte1 votes

dyrus prove it on multiple occasions on stream enough that it spread and ive seen it in my games down here in gold, so thats why i included him, and his kit is the dream of a tank yes, but hes not the only one having such kit, the CC/mobility/reset button wouldnt be a problem if all he did was tank dmg, the problem right now is people start to understand that building tanky still let you destroy squishie's because riot gave every base dmg's AND scalings, so even building tank, assassin will burst people down, thats the problem, it doesnt only affect ekko, hes just the best amongst all of them because of his ultimate giving two life basicly

xBushx7 votes

Inb4

Reads surrender@20.

Returns to boards to apologize!! LOL

Project omen2 votes

Can you elaborate?

xBushx1 votes

What you susgested is happening right now. lowered the execute on his passive from 5% to 3% and Reduced bases and raised the ap ratios on passive and E making tank not nearly as strong.

Also lazy to not get exact site...but thats the info.

Project omen1 votes

Thank you.

iNathh2 votes

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Too lazy. Can you elaborate?

They nerfed him.

CppL2 votes

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Too lazy. Can you elaborate?

Ekko *Parallel Convergence (W) Passive base damage lowered to 3% missing HP from 5% missing HP Passive AP ratio increased to 1% per 33 AP from 1% per 50 AP [NEW] Passive does minimum 15 damage to minions.

**Phase Drive (E) Base damage lowered to 40/65/90/115/140 from 50/80/110/140/170 AP ratio increased to .4 from .2

SuicideJ1 votes

That does not lower his base health and mana or anything that has to be dropped in base stats for him to be healthy. This % health shit needs to go away. It's as bad as the crit shit.

ralsei1 votes

It's only to champs below 30%.

SuicideJ1 votes

that can still be a lot of health..

mason water1 votes

as someone who plays ekko midlane, it really is not that much until you get some AP, but it does help with last hitting

SuicideJ1 votes

The more health you have, the more health gets taken away which is a larger pool of health that you are losing. HP % anything isn't healthy for the game and would allow tanks to be toned down a bit.

mason water1 votes

might as well remove item 3153 and item 3151

SuicideJ1 votes

Liandries Torment doesn't insta burst you.. it's over time, like ignite. That isn't a problem. BotrK isn't honestly that bad of an item because burst damage hits like a train and kills you before you can actually use it. It isn't effective against low health opponents. Just the tank opponents that are hard to kill like Trundle, Nautilus, tank ekko, etc. And that's only if you can survive them ripping you to pieces..

IcyPepper5 votes

Seriously, yet another duplicate post about something that's already happening?

Please read the boards to see if your topic has already been posted, and if there's already a fix on the way (which, well, there is but you didn't know that because you didn't bother to check yet you want people to listen to you).

Oelyk3 votes

How to counter Ekko. 1)Take an auto based DPS fighter(Aatrox, Tryndamere, Xin Zhoa) or someone with a massive amount of heals(Darius, Renekton) 2)Trade. 3)Profit.

How it works: He's a tank that masters at short trades or all out trades, the only issue with him is that he cant heal afterwards without ulting. What does this mean for most top laners?

Well, Their are many kinds of top laners, each unique to a different type of team dynamic.

There are tanks, who can be very powerful in lane by out tanking the enemy and beating them with base health, but this often exposes them to taking a lot of damage from poke, and most tanks lack sustain. These guys love farming up and causing big team fights to soak up damage. However, they lack impact and usually rely on a single skill, and the ult, of course.

There are fighters, Who are often powerful in lane, usually being a form of dueling bully, they dont have a ton of health, but they sure as hell gonna hurt a lot more, they have more impact in roaming and small fights than tanks, and have multiple abilities to pump it out.

There are squishes, who have very high damage output, they usually are ranged, however if they are melee, they usually have abilities to avoid/block damage(hi Riven), most of them rely on winning lane so they can continue to dominate, and they have less roam potencial than fighters.

Now which category is Ekko in as a toplaner (I see him top more than mid) Well he's a tank, good. but not only is he a tank, but he's also very mobile and fits into a sub-class of the Fighter, the Skirmisher. Skirmishers have utility and powerful abilities to win trades quickly or die and are technically "overloaded," most mages are overloaded with powerful spells for most situation, some Skirmishers that come off the top or my mind are Pantheon, Gankplank, and Jayce. But tank Ekko is different Hes gonn dive and not die, pumping out some really quick damage with his eq passive, then choose wether or not to disengage, cuase as a tank, hes gonna have less damage, but more(much more) survivability.

What does this mean for Ekko?

As a tank with an overloaded kit, he has so many options to skirmish and win based of survivability, as most tanks can get kited by squishies and poked, he's gonna be in their faces and smashing them like tf2 scout. Hence eliminating a tank counter, a tank against a tank is a really boring match, but Ekko, who provides endless utility, he's gonna dance around the tank like he doesn't even care. Hence eliminating just playing it out, and fighters, namely, Skirmishes lose to him purely off health difference. He seems invincible right? Well thats the thing, as a tank, he lacks sustain, to only way for him to drag fights on is to out health his opponent, and if his opponent out heals his damage and sustains in lane, he can't win! thats why darius, reneckton, aatrox, xin zhao and tryndamere beat him.

Hosee3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lazy cat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7irgK8En,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-04-11T19:50:53.053+0000)

Well, Their are many kinds of top laners Their are tanks, Their are fighters ** Their** are squishes **xinzhoa **

Sorry but this really pissed me off.

Oelyk1 votes

Yup, I don't go back and edit. Sorry.

I fixed it for you <3

Partholonian2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lazy cat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7irgK8En,comment-id=0003,timestamp=2016-04-11T19:50:53.053+0000)

most tanks lack sustain.

Chogath DrMundo Maokai Shen Volibear Zac ... even if you exclude juggernauts (most of which also have sustain).

There are a few tanks that lack sustain (or in Singed case, have it only from ultimate). But even some of those can shield+trade, which serves some of the same purposes as actual sustain.

Oelyk1 votes

Interesting, for some reason my mind blacked on every single one of those besides Cho. I did say most, not all though in my defence. I really don't think Shen counts however with only his shield. Voli is a passive skill and the other are all minor passive abilities cept Mundo(the only thing that can fight a Mundo is a fed Vayne and Fiora, nothing but percent true damage.)

Still, Zac is no a relevant toplaner, and you really don't see a lot of the other tanks(at least, I don't), but I would be interested in seeing how well they match up vs ekko. I still think that my suggested list above is the best counters.

chide da jungler3 votes

You just experienced the difference between new champions' kits and old champions' kits.

You should of just run away... haha kidding he is a super mobility mage with aoe cc, gap-closers and he also slows you! Dish out the RP for the new champ or lose!

tXQbsPrjN52 votes

You know why he was randomly buffed right? Cause he lcs retard plays. Riot's never gonna keep lcsretardplays champs down for long. They might take 1 ad off ekko then in 4 months they'll give him ad ratios on all his skills cause lcsretardplays

Hosee6 votes

[{quoted}](name=Brandon Heat,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7irgK8En,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2016-04-11T20:08:44.211+0000)

You know why he was randomly buffed right? Cause he lcs retard plays. Riot's never gonna keep lcsretardplays champs down for long. They might take 1 ad off ekko then in 4 months they'll give him ad ratios on all his skills cause lcsretardplays

Dude what are u saying

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

its really the items. but ekko does need a nerf. it works on anyone with spammable low manna spells

lofi n chillhop1 votes

I was playing an actual tank Maokai and had item 3068 item 3111 item 1033 built verse his item 1033 item 1031 item 3751 and we were even level full health waves cleared and he chased me from the middle of the lane into a turret dive and killed me. without ult. and lived. oh an i used my ult and passive heal a few times and landed my q's....

Solari Fortune1 votes

They are nerfing Ekko Nerfing the Base Damage of his abilities and buffing the ratios to make AP Ekko more wanted over Tankko

TwinkiePro1 votes

How bout we nerf Zed? not fair to have over 1k AD :/

SoMNia1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Project omen gr,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=7irgK8En,comment-id=,timestamp=2016-04-11T15:49:40.384+0000)

Nerf his base damages and buff his scalings.

As others have said, they're already doing this in the next patch. And nerfing Iceborn Gauntlet damage, too, if you care about that.

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