his E has a 2 second cooldown, uses NO mana, and hops over walls? this waaayyy overpowered if he gets caught out in the jungle and he will roam way too much. mid laner backs? get to top in 5 seconds and gank. he left again? hop to bot in 5 and gank again, he'll roam too much for how low of a cooldown it has, and we all know what happened to the last champion that roamed too much...
TequilaZombie3 votesRiot: So, we're trying to give Talon a new identity of THE roaming AD assassin instead of the "I'll one shot you before you have the time to AA twice" assassin.
OP: New Talon is broken because he will roam too much.
I don't wanna be a douche, but that's kinda the goal of the change man.
Leo10241 votes??????????
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i'm glad he won't be able to completely one shot but this was not the way to do so, any champ that roams too much is unhealthy, again, this can be seen in she was literally brought into the game to be a great roaming mage, and when she did her job riot nerfed her to the ground leaving her at a 43% winrate for a while, and she was only a burst mage who required combos to do damage
so why does 
, an assasin have more mobility than someone made to roam? let alone he does so much more damage and now has a point and click leap which is basically his old E, a cone skill shot, and an easy ult. at least taliyah had to aim her Q and predict the enemies position 1 second earlier to land her W E combo
i just see this talon as way too unhealthy as his new kit gets rid of his worst spell, Q, keeps his best one, E, and gives him an even better one, his new E, he can't one shot anymore but he's now an even bigger problem than before
The Sword Saint2 votes??????????
i'm glad he won't be able to completely one shot but this was not the way to do so, any champ that roams too much is unhealthy, again, this can be seen in
i just see this talon as way too unhealthy as his new kit gets rid of his worst spell, Q, keeps his best one, E, and gives him an even better one, his new E, he can't one shot anymore but he's now an even bigger problem than before
Why do you emphasize assassin in that statement? Of all the classes in the game, assassin is THE one who is supposed to roam. The jungler also roams but thats a role, assassins are the type of champion designed for this. It's obvious that a control mage like taliyah should not be allowed to roam too much even if she has parts of her kit that make her above average at roaming. Ahri for example has a bit of true damage on her q, but she's obviously not designed to go around attacking tanks.
Additionaly, taliyah was an issue because she could instantly clear waves with almost no items or levels and then roam, so she ended up never having to interact with her lane opponent to get farmed up and as a side bonus got to have a big impact on the other lanes. That's a problem in part because control mages like taliyah or orianna or anivia are made to scale up later on and so shouldn't have super uninteractive and reliable early games.
PureSilvrr2 votesthe reason it has a 2 second Cd is that he cannot jump over that same wall for 150 seconds
Leo10242 voteswho cares? 's threaded volley can't be cast on the same spot for 120 seconds (used to be 140) and it has an 8 second cooldown
Meep Man2 votesThat's because it actually deals damage in an area of effect
Leo10241 votesbut i can be blocked by minions and is easily dodged, not to mention that if you accidentally spam it you're useless in lane since you'll only shoot one rock half the time from being on worked ground
VoidStaresBack1 votesThat's... a really silly argument, seeing as you're comparing a damaging ability to a pure mobility ability.