@Riot: For Taliyah, 50% bonus damage to minions was oppressive, 0% makes her weak. How about 25%?

Igotlazy·12/28/2016, 7:54:48 PM·2 votes·869 views

Seriously. The only thing that put Taliyah from an original winrate of 38% back on release to that 49% she had the patch later was the 50% bonus damage to minions they gave her Q. Once they removed that, Taliyah hasn't been in the best position. Would 25% bonus damage to minions find a good balance?

4 Comments

ScissorsNstuff12/28/2016, 8:37:29 PM1 votes

it probably wouldn't help.

Just build more AP. Also they've nerfed the backline minions since then so now you just have to find a way to kill the melee ones

Rinzy12/29/2016, 6:00:32 AM1 votes

I also agree on the 25% minion damage, but.. a few things from a Taliyah main I guess.

The release winrate was probably because of her learning curve. She was then oppressive with the 50% minion damage as people learned to play her, could clear waves in 1 Q and basically not really lose match ups because she starved the enemy so hard. But then, they not only took the bonus minion damage away, but they also nerfed her E damage AGAIN in the same patch. I like the current Q change, but it's not.. fully there.

dim2a12/29/2016, 6:06:52 AM1 votes

I'd rather see the old E-W combo but at its old damage (making W-E impossible, so higher damage is fair, due to it being telegraphed). Would give tali more options (telegraph with E-W for bigger payoff, or use W for knockup untelegraphed), and would also help clear minions (since minions don't dodge E-W). And give ryali's nerf, perhaps make E's slow/danger field a little bigger?

Tacosrock1/1/2017, 9:39:17 AM1 votes

Why buff her even more? First of all, win rate does not show much considering her skill ceiling. I mean, just look at those who've played 100+ games of her. She has like a 70% winrate... that's insane. Also, 0% does not make her "weak". It makes her fair to play against other laners so that they do not get completely obliterated early game. Trust me, she's fine as she is. Her waveclear right now is strong but not oppressive, and I see that as a good thing.