Suggestions for Rek Sai and Gragas nerfs

Chad Te Employee··2 votes·1,014 views

RekSai remove the knockup from unburrow and reduce distance on tunnel. Rek Sai doesn't need cc, she has sustain and a gap closer.

Gragas Reduce hitbox duration on Body slam and reduce knock back on Explosive cask.

People really don't like removing Rek Sai's cc, what is your opinion on just reducing tunnel distance?

37 Comments

xTropicalPenguin4 votes

so gut rek'sai?

Chad Te Employee1 votes

she isn't gutted. her early damage is one of the strongest and she doesn't rely on a mana bar. She has a good engage/gap closer and sustain for her jungle clear

xTropicalPenguin5 votes

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she isn't gutted. her early damage is one of the strongest and she doesn't rely on a mana bar. She has a good engage/gap closer and sustain for her jungle clear

okay, she burrows with no knock up, what the fuck is she supposed to do then? AA them and then they just flash out?

Chad Te Employee1 votes

flash is every 5 minutes....

xTropicalPenguin5 votes

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flash is every 5 minutes....

k, what does she do post laning phase? every tank has some form of cc, she won't, all she can do is burrow in and die because no knock up, she can't peel for her team, she can't do anything.

Chad Te Employee1 votes

She has an engage tool

xTropicalPenguin5 votes

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She has an engage tool

a gap closer with no follow up is a garbage engage tool, just admit you hate rek'sai and want to see her gutted

S0kaX2 votes

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a gap closer with no follow up is a garbage engage tool, just admit you hate rek'sai and want to see her gutted

This^^

LankPants1 votes

k, what does she do post laning phase? every tank has some form of cc, she won't, all she can do is burrow in and die because no knock up, she can't peel for her team, she can't do anything.

This is an odd one because the correct path here depends on how you define what Rek'sai is meant to be. Riot released her as a fighter, not a tank.

I'd agree that removing her CC straight up is extreme and would most likely kill Rek'sai, but if you agree that Rek'sai should be more of a fighter it's not the worst direction you could take. If you were to entirely remove her CC and give heavy damage compensations you'd wind up with a Shyvana like Rek'sai who trades stickiness and durability for vision and mobility.

If I were to work on Rek'sai personally what I think I'd look at is removing the knockup on unburrow and replacing it with a ground (Cass's W effect) and adding a stun to her E which scales up with the amount of fury that she has built up when she uses it. You would probably also need to increase Rek'sai's damage doing this but I can't playtest it or anything so it's pretty much impossible to say how much by.

My reasoning for this is to limit Rek'sai's CC spam a bit, it gets insane when she's knocking up a different target every few seconds because he CC ability also has the shortest CD on her kit. I'd also like to see more use for fury on Rek'sai's kit, compared to Tryn, Ren and Shyv she doesn't really seem to care that much about the amount of fury she actually has built up. The ground also makes it more possible to turn and fight Rek'sai which is a positive IMO.

S0kaX1 votes

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she isn't gutted. her early damage is one of the strongest and she doesn't rely on a mana bar. She has a good engage/gap closer and sustain for her jungle clear

If you remove her knock up she won't have any sort of cc, which is stupid.

Chad Te Employee1 votes

She's a jungler, as long as the laner has cc they'll be fine

S0kaX2 votes

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She's a jungler, as long as the laner has cc they'll be fine

And if the laner doesn't have cc then she's useless, do you even league of legends?

Chad Te Employee1 votes

Your fault for not choosing a good team comp

S0kaX2 votes

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Your fault for not choosing a good team comp

My fault for choosing Rek'Sai? YOUR fault for thinking of this stupid nerf idea.

Chad Te Employee1 votes

Stop encouraging lack of diversity in the LCS then

S0kaX2 votes

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Stop encouraging lack of diversity in the LCS then

Out of arguments confirmed. If you want diversity in LCS than do a post about BUFFING champions so they can be played in LCS.

Chad Te Employee1 votes

This is a serious face palm, why buff 5-10 champs when nerfing 2 is easier

S0kaX2 votes

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This is a serious face palm, why buff 5-10 champs when nerfing 2 is easier

Because your nerf idea is crap and would make Rek'Sai the new Yorick. Just admit that you hate Rek'Sai because when ganking she knocks you up.

Chad Te Employee1 votes

I haven't played against a rek sai for at least the last 20 games

S0kaX2 votes

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I haven't played against a rek sai for at least the last 20 games

Then why did you make this post if you didn't even encounter her?

Chad Te Employee2 votes

because if you watch the LCS you may notice only gragas and rek sai are played

S0kaX1 votes

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because if you watch the LCS you may notice only gragas and rek sai are played

So you want to nerf a champion because they appear often at LCS, Hahaha, I can't take this post seriously because of that reason.

ViiLLAiN2 votes

wait what

remove the knock up ??? that's crazy talk that's her main source of CC lol

ViiLLAiN2 votes

the issue isn't reksai and gragas

like every other role is the issue that the other champions aren't on par with reksai and gragas

buff the other junglers make them worth playing other then reksai and gragas

Chad Te Employee1 votes

Buff the many other junglers or nerf/gut the 2 must plays

LankPants1 votes

I'd kinda disagree with that, Rek'sai and Gragas are out of line and do need some nerfs, just not as big as 'remove the knockup with no compensation'.

QuagScoped2 votes

What... Removing the knock up is like removing Annie's Passive, would Annie still be playable after that? No. Would Rek'Sai still be? No...

Chad Te Employee1 votes

Annie's stun is way different then the reksais knock up. Annie applies alot more burst then rek sais knock up

S0kaX1 votes

You just want Rek'Sai to be the new Yorick. It's already bad they nerfed her Tunnel time, don't make it worse!

Chad Te Employee1 votes

First off she still has her early damage which does wonders. And second, Yorick never made it to the LCS as much as rek sai

S0kaX1 votes

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First off she still has her early damage which does wonders. And second, Yorick never made it to the LCS as much as rek sai

My question is: Do you even realise that with those nerfs the number of people playing Rek'Sai will just drop and maybe you won't even see her in LCS?

Chad Te Employee1 votes

isnt that a good thing?

S0kaX3 votes

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isnt that a good thing?

You really hate Rek'Sai then

LankPants2 votes

Yorick never made it to the LCS as much as rek sai

You clearly haven't been watching competitive play for that long because Yorick had a long competitive stint in season two. He was basically Bruiser Zil, where he'd be paired with hypercarries like Tristana and Cassiopea.

You probably shouldn't make definitive claims such as 'never' if your knowledge doesn't go back far enough to back that claim up.

Chad Te Employee1 votes

Season two? Im sorry we are in season 6

LankPants1 votes

Allow me to define the word never for you

not ever; at no time

This is why most people versed in arguing rarely make claims using the word never, because the second somebody finds an example to the contrary, as I did your whole claim is debunked.

Chad Te Employee1 votes

Let me define exaggeration a statement that represents something as better or worse than it really is.

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