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How to change ON-HIT items into more healthier and satisfying alternatives.

CØulrophobia·2/3/2019, 5:18:23 PM·6 votes·4,234 views

Warning: This is a long post, skip to the bottom if you hate reading. I have a suggestion that will benefit every single ON-HIT champion to some extent. Why not reevaluate these 3 items together.

item 3091 -Who is building Wits end as a core? I think that apart from Kayle and Teemo no one buys the item. Problem with item: Underwhelming, not known about, not reccomended enough. Unsynergistic with most champion kits. On-hit build prefers Nashors and Guinsoo because they do more damage.

Proposed change: Turn this item into an item for auto-attacking tanks. Since tanks already have better MR items to rush I suggest we drop the MR completely and add gold equivalent HP. This way item will even have some synergy with Titanic Hydra. You can still use item to steal MR, but you the HP will keep you alive until you actully steal it.

item 3115 -Core on Kayle, On-Hit Teemo. Can be built by Kog, Varus and Kai Sa for some decent damage and synergy with their passives. Problem with item:Too expensive, comes online too late, requires quite a bit of AP to be better, CDR stat is usually wasted in on hit builds.

Proposed change: Push it more into the direction for AP-ON-HIT builds. Remove the CDR, the users of this item want to autoattack not throw abilities every couple of seconds so it is useless for them anyways. Reduce the gold cost so that its users will hit the powerspike at the same time as other champions, make it benefit more from AP or Magic Penetration, or add some AP.

item 3124 - Built on Vayne, Yi, Jax, KaiSa, KogMaw and Varus. What all of these champions have in common is that they prefer to build AD instead of AP. (Though some of them can be equally successful with AP builds as well).
Problem with item: EIther too strong and always core or too underwhelming. Unhealthy synergy with 3-hit (and 5-hit) passives. Allows for way too much damage.

Proposed change: Turn it into a full AD item, drop MagicPen and AP, now in order to remove the broken unfun double on-hit passive I propose we allow this item to allow its user to break AS barrier BUT ONLY when the user reaches 6 stacks. That way the item is still core on most of these users, but fixes most of the problems with the BURST PER SECOND.

TLDR: Fixes the identity of each item turning them into items better for their specific classes. item 3124 Guinsoo no longer has unhealthy passive, now good only for AD ON-HIT builds. item 3091 Wits End is now a better option for tanks overall by shifting power from MR into HP. item 3115 A slight tweak by removing CDR and lowering the cost. Now an item for AP ON-HIT builds.

17 Comments

wolvius2/3/2019, 7:22:55 PM3 votes

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item 3115 -Core on Kayle, On-Hit Teemo. Can be built by Kog, Varus and Kai Sa for some decent damage and synergy with their passives. Problem with item:Too expensive, comes online too late, requires quite a bit of AP to be better, CDR stat is usually wasted in on hit builds.

Proposed change: Push it more into the direction for AP-ON-HIT builds. Remove the CDR, the users of this item want to autoattack not throw abilities every couple of seconds so it is useless for them anyways. Reduce the gold cost so that its users will hit the powerspike at the same time as other champions, make it benefit more from AP or Magic Penetration, or add some AP.

Nashor's Tooth is literally 139.94% gold efficient and it increases about 15% for every 100ap so how the hell is it expensive for what it gives. Do you know how efficient most tank items are? Most are less than 100%. (Edit for reference trinity is 97ish efficient and one of the most expensive and best items in the game)

As for taking away Cdr you would fuck over kayle who needs it for her E uptime and a current core user as you said. And cd in general is a useful stat and why champs like ashe bought old reaver.

you don't change an item to give it less users that's why people complained about essence reaver and the hextech ice thing reworked. Champs that previously bought them didnt anymore and those that did were for the flare passive not item stats.

As for wits end it a niche item and meant specifically for when facing heavy ap, the only change I would make currently is that when fully stacked that the on hit magic damage is also bonus ap for spellcast for a short time.

Daddy Ants2/3/2019, 5:59:31 PM2 votes

Wit's End is a situational counter to magic damage.

I build it on Vayne sometimes.... especially vs double mage bot lanes.

boricCentaur12/3/2019, 5:51:16 PM2 votes

Ummm what item 3091 is not supposed to be a core item it is a counter to magic damage and the mr from tanks it is a niche item that is like saying who uses item 3026 as a core item and he is a list of champions that can use it KogMaw,Kayle ,Teemo,Irelia , on hit MasterYi , Kindred , on hit Varus ,Tristana ,on hit Kennen ,Jax,Jinx ,Shyvana I think that is it now some on the list like Jinx should only build it vs team with 3 to 4 tanks.

BLIGHTBRINGER2/3/2019, 7:27:49 PM2 votes

I always wondered and got intrigued when it came to the idea of Tanks using Attack Speed.

The closest we have so far to that is: Skarner Volibear Warwick

Btw did you get the idea of Rageblade removing Attack Speed Cap from me by any chance? There was another post that discussed Rageblade where I commented the suggestion of AS Cap removal at 6 Stacks instead of having Phantom On-Hit...

https://i.ibb.co/34dLTgG/chrome-2019-02-03-19-31-07.png

Speaking of which I might make my own post suggesting my ideas for an overall rework to the On-Hit Items.

Lovelle2/3/2019, 11:15:48 PM2 votes

You mean bruisers right?

The only true auto-attacking tank I can think of is Nautilus and Wit's End is already decent on him.

SithesisLord2/4/2019, 3:07:14 PM1 votes

Guinsoo no longer has unhealthy passive, now good only for AD ON-HIT builds.

Guinsoo's has been a hybrid item for as long as it existed, i believe. Changing it to anything but a hybrid item is silly. At worst, change it into an AS only item, so it's resource agnostic.

Wits End is now a better option for tanks overall by shifting power from MR into HP.

Great, can we overbuff Kog'Maw along with both of these changes?

A slight tweak by removing CDR and lowering the cost. Now an item for AP ON-HIT builds.

10/10 making reworked Kayle go live at release Syndra winrates.

Mael Jade2/3/2019, 6:08:27 PM1 votes

These changes would fuck Kayle tho. I like the rageblade but just removing it for AP sounds terrible.

heroikc2/3/2019, 5:59:15 PM1 votes

There are some minor flaws to your plans, I'm afraid to point out. -Guinsoo has always revolved around being a HYBRID item for the longest time and is in fact one of the last of its kind; dropping AP might remove its identity completely. -And how to you remove CDR from an item whose components both have CDR? I fear you have to restructure it and maybe Stinger as well to get your results (and you forgot Diana can use this well, too.) -Wit's end is already recommended in one mode or another for on-hit tanks (WW, Shyv, Udyr, Volibear), mostly as a means to increase their magic DPS and improving dueling abilities to sustain mages like Vlad and Swain.