Guinsoo's Rageblade now grants Armor & Magic Penetration

BeatzBoyFTW·Nov 7, 2018·70 votes·17,713 views

One question:

#WHY?

120 Comments

Moody PNov 7, 201892 votes

weird how we're leaving out that it no longer scales its on-hit with AD or AP or how it's losing its AP/AD gain per stack

KFCeytronNov 7, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=79112oWI,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-11-07T04:19:21.590+0000)

weird how we're leaving out that it no longer scales its on-hit with AD or AP or how it's losing its AP/AD gain per stack

It's only weird until you remember where we are.

EschetonNov 7, 20182 votes

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It's only weird until you remember where we are.

The worst timeline

Spank the FoxNov 7, 201834 votes

Seriously, fuck OP.

“Added” is to imply inconjuction with the current stats. He’s being completely disingenious omitting the fact it’s being replaced with its multiplicative stat boost.

BeatzBoyFTWNov 7, 20183 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=79112oWI,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-11-07T04:19:21.590+0000)

weird how we're leaving out that it no longer scales its on-hit with AD or AP or how it's losing its AP/AD gain per stack

Accidentally read it as "Added". Mb on that part.

BestPudgeNANov 7, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=79112oWI,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-11-07T04:19:21.590+0000)

weird how we're leaving out that it no longer scales its on-hit with AD or AP or how it's losing its AP/AD gain per stack

It's losing the .1% on hit scaling but it starts out with 15 on hit damage over the current 10.

From the looks of it will be a much much better first item and about equal at 2 items and fall off more at 3+ but it will still be broken late game cause double on hit is BULLSHIT broken OP.

Edit: just read the PBE notes again it's % MR/AR not flat pen. this item is beyond broken at all stages of the game.

FertsaNov 7, 20183 votes

15% penetration oh no call the cops it's darius E passive

ZackTheWaffleManNov 7, 20184 votes

level 2 darius E passive lul

LordGeovanniNov 8, 20181 votes

51% effective armor with just item 3071 and item 3124 less armor with armor pen items even less with lethality items . Is the true damage build the next new thing. all for the stat that is intenentionally designed to scale the worst in the game innately with no penetration and 6 items (no penetration not likely ever) (6 armor items even worse.)

hsumis1oveNov 8, 20181 votes

Look at darius. He can get 90 something percent armor pen with his e passive, cleaver, and ldr. Does anyone actually build that?

LordGeovanniNov 8, 20181 votes

when this new rage blade version comes out they just might (also rage blade despite not being complained about when it had its passive at 50% hp that gave ap attack speed lifesteal and spell vamp has been reworked as much as Taric and Ryze)

LightningShadoNov 8, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=Moody P,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=79112oWI,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2018-11-07T04:19:21.590+0000)

weird how we're leaving out that it no longer scales its on-hit with AD or AP or how it's losing its AP/AD gain per stack

IT'S FOR THE VIEWS MAN

Agent CorgiNov 7, 201858 votes

Jax _THWOMPING INTENSIFIES _

KmSneakyNov 7, 20186 votes

Kayle let's shake that right arm real quick ! Kayle

QuortNov 7, 20186 votes

KogMaw We must spit on them! KogMaw

RagnaveilNov 7, 201833 votes

AllTanksMustDieAndNeverReturn - Rito Games

(No flame, but like, thats the vibe this change gives)

I lit your babyNov 7, 20185 votes

i guess 15 armor pen really will kill tank class with 300 armor with 2 items. Yeah.

JoseraphNov 7, 20185 votes

What 2 items give you 300 Armor? Tell me this, I want to become a malphite main now

crippler38Nov 7, 20186 votes

Base armor and two frozen hearts? Plus maybe shoes since people don't always count that?

I dunno, best I can come up with. Taric maybe combined with two frozen hearts due to his armor increase?

BestPudgeNANov 7, 20184 votes

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i guess 15 armor pen really will kill tank class with 300 armor with 2 items. Yeah.

It's % armor shred. So against a 300 armor tank it's 45 armor. Also you're vastly over stating the amount of armor tanks have at 2 items.

Daddy AntsNov 7, 20182 votes

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It's % armor shred. So against a 300 armor tank it's 45 armor. Also you're vastly over stating the amount of armor tanks have at 2 items.

it's % armor penetration not shred.

Armor penetration only applies to the item holders damage.

Armor Shred improves their teams damage (cleaver)

LordGeovanniNov 8, 20181 votes

shid we all jumping to level 18 when you get 2 tank items? or is it that tanks only get 2 items at level 18 which is much more likely? not to mention this goes for any champion not more than 30 armor off the mark not just tanks

I lit your babyNov 8, 20181 votes

In what off all worlds its takes you to get 2 items at lvl 18?

_ not to mention this goes for any champion not more than 30 armor off the mark not just tanks_ Not to mention, my bronze friend, ad+ap scaling works better against non tank.

LordGeovanniNov 8, 20181 votes

and % pen the thing we are actually talking about works better versus tanks not to mention there are non tanks in the game who are melee and not hyper mobile. Idk some one said that 2 items plus base is 300 armor as if every champion is magically at level 18 after 2 items which is the only way that is true while also building some underpowered items. and ignoring that 2 items also will penetrate 49% of your armor if this goes through and mages have the best mr defensive option cause they took it from tanks and all of tanks and fighters defensive options are 55 mr or less. they have one option that is 40 mr that jumps to 80 if a tank gets in a super bad position.

kargishNov 7, 201812 votes

Stop posting only half the changes!

It lost its AD+AP scaling and no longer grants AP or AD

Dr40URNov 7, 201810 votes

Riot: People are complaining about Kai'sa. We need to nerf her. nerfs Kai'sa Riot: Hey guys, we should buff Rageblade, right? Let's give it hybrid shred on top of everything else it already does. That sounds really good!

Kaisa : You fuckin' wot m8?

NevrankroatonNov 7, 20188 votes

It isn't a buff to Rageblade, it is a shift of power.

Rageblade lost the scaling on their on-hit dmg. 15 flat damage instead of 5 physical (0,1 AD ratio) + 5 magical (0,1 AP ratio)

Rageblade doesn't grant AD or AP bonus with each stack, only AS.

At lvl 18, Guinso grant 15%armor pen and 15% magic pen (we don't know if it is total armor/MR or if it is bonus armor/MR).

Rageblade now cost 200 less (3100 instead of 3300).

I think the idea is to let it be "THE" on-hit item and give on-hit champion more power to their kit lategame by the penenatrion armor/MR while lowering the scaling that this item could give. It is notably a nerf to AP on-hit build.

AXayahAccountNov 7, 20186 votes

It doesn't give many stats for 3100 gold. What like 25 ap/ad/as? Plus 15 on hit. It is sort of weak for an offensive item.

ZaghyrNov 7, 20186 votes

If they want to give Guinsoos Hybrid pen, then the phantom NEEDS to go, otherwise this item is just ridiculous.

MordepoolNov 7, 20185 votes

And yet they kept the double hits

5050BSNov 7, 20184 votes

Ya AND the cost is less.

Like WTAF

flibitydooNov 7, 20183 votes

Voice of evil here, but it looks like they're trying to curb it's power away from on-hit guinsoos users that already shred tanks.

armour pen/magic pen won't improve yi's true damage, and if jax is running conqueror then the true damage conversion also doesn't benefit.

also it moving from flat damage bonus to between 6-15% armour pen/magic pen makes it less of a "your adc dies to varus right clickin ya in lane" deal.

5050BSNov 7, 20189 votes

Its not any of that that makes it OPAF. Its the double hit shit

d4rkshockNov 7, 20183 votes

not looking forward to the 1v5's that the on hit MasterYi willget every game. no seriouly. build on hit. dont build crit. i never do. get item 3153 item 1419 item 3124 and thats al the damage you need then build some tank items. anyways im already having Vietnam war flashbacks of AP yi and tank yi.

ŚhunpoNov 7, 20183 votes

MasterYi : I don't care whether it's a squishy or a tank, imma kill it in 2 autos.

HammermancerNov 7, 20183 votes

item 3124 item 3091 item 3071 item 3085 Kayle

Dank

LordGeovanniNov 8, 20183 votes

https://media.giphy.com/media/l3q2K5jinAlChoCLS/giphy.gif

HammermancerNov 8, 20181 votes

her passive owo

LordGeovanniNov 8, 20181 votes

i know man

HammermancerNov 9, 20181 votes

If you skip boots and take a mallet and an ardent with lethal tempo then secondary into resolve for font of life you get the battle support ive always dreamed of

{{ Not good for ranked but probs amazing for solonorms or flextrolls

Packun FlowerNov 7, 20183 votes

Because this game NEEDS more damage.

Every item in this game HAS to do damage

Every Rune in this game HAS to do damage

Every skill in this game HAS to do damage

The most damaging thing about league is its balance team. Just look at the damage they have caused to LoL overtime.

RiftstaIker Nov 7, 20183 votes

It doesnt give bonus ad/ap anymore and only +15 physical damage on hit.

KelgNov 7, 20183 votes

Rageblade ADs werent killing things fast enough. 2 seconds is too long I guess.

ProfirixNov 7, 20182 votes

It loses its scaling though. This is predominantly a nerf for on-hit users, except those who deal hybrid damage (Jax, Kog, etc.)

Why does everyone keep calling this overpowered? ALL of the scaling is gone from the item! Pen isn't going to make up for the loss of that scaling, but it is a step in the right direction.