I'm Curious

GigglesO·Mar 21, 2018·10 votes·851 views

Why do all of the highly mobile kits have 340 base movement speed?

Meanwhile we have champs like Morde sitting at 325, with close to no movement enhancement.

17 Comments

A treespook nestMar 21, 20187 votes

I want to be fair to CertainlyT's design. I don't think the lack of mobility and extremely slow movement speed is bad design in and itself. I think him being this slow is an okay weakness for him to have, but if his weakness is going to be this big his other weaknesses probably should be toned down a little.

Teridax68Mar 21, 20181 votes

I agree with this, and in general I think Morde's problem is one of agency, rather than simply mobility. In a wacky alternate universe where Morde had 0 movement speed, but global range on all of his abilities, he wouldn't have any real problem getting to his opponents, for example. To a lesser degree, I think it would make sense for Morde to have mage-level ranges in exchange for horrendous mobility, since he is part-mage in practice as well. The problem right now is that Morde not only has terrible movespeed, but also has fairly crappy ranges, which means he can get hard-kited by practically anyone with just a little bit more range or mobility than him (i.e. any champion in League). While I'm no Morde main, I think he'd feel much better to play as a champion with no mobility, and perhaps even no crowd control at all, so long as he always had enough range to be able to have a decent chance of reaching his opponents.

A treespook nestMar 21, 20186 votes

Cause jokes Blitzcrank

GigglesOMar 21, 20181 votes

They can't make every champion basically riven/yasuo.... Although the new irelia update looks alot like them.

flibitydooMar 21, 20185 votes

Because mordekaiser is a juggernaut which means his base stats are much better than everyone elses Because mordekaiser gains like 5 AD per level (the highest in the game) while everyone else gains like 3 (that means he naturally gains 90 AD through the course of the game while everyone else gets about 54, he nearly doubles everyone elses) Because mordekaiser also has it good in the health per level and armour per level department as well.

the idea is quite simple, he's kite-able and can't actually kill anyone on his own, but anyone he can grab by the neck will die. Same with darius, same with garen, same with illaoi.

DysnomiaMar 21, 20182 votes

This.

GigglesOMar 21, 20182 votes

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Same with darius, same with garen, same with illaoi.

Except they all get 340 base movement speed, and can properly use black cleaver for even more speed buffs.

EclairiusMar 21, 20183 votes

Even among the Juggernaut he is overly immobile. The mojarity of them are around 340-345 base MS and he is the only one that possess neither a form CC nor a form of mobility. It's not like he is overwhelming in the other departements either. Currently his damage and sustain are more or less average among juggernauts and the latter being setup the way it is make it easly counterable by cc.

Troll for TrumpMar 21, 20185 votes

Because the counterplay to juggernauts is their lack of cc/gapclosers/range?

I mean, what do you expect? The identity of Juggernauts is flawed and conflicts with the way characters are designed in this game.

The only way for a Juggernaut to be truly viable is through some combination of mechanics that just completely nullify their weakness.

GigglesOMar 21, 20183 votes

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Because the counterplay to juggernauts is their lack of cc/gapclosers/range?

Because Garen, illaoi and darius both don't use black cleaver for mobility?

Because they don't all have 340MS?

Mordes MS is outdated.

Troll for TrumpMar 21, 20181 votes

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Because Garen, illaoi and darius both don't use black cleaver for mobility?

Because they don't all have 340MS?

Mordes MS is outdated.

Yeah, and Morde used to get Triforce and currently gets Rylai's?

And they're still immobile and kitable as fk?

Morde does more dmg/has other aspects of his kit in exchange for slightly less mobility. He doesn't need that buff.

As a whole, juggernauts are still immobile, kitable useless meatbags.

It's not just a morde issue.

GigglesOMar 21, 20181 votes

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Yeah, and Morde used to get Triforce

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and currently gets Rylai's?

Almost none of his mains built it until the updated liandris change, and it still doesn't allow you to do anything that you couldn't do without it.

And they're still immobile and kitable as fk?

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I'm glad that you think that morde having 15 less MS than any of the other juggs is justifyable even though hes "kitable as fk"

Troll for TrumpMar 22, 20181 votes

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They did. A long time ago.

Almost none of his mains built it until the updated liandris change, and it still doesn't allow you to do anything that you couldn't do without it.

No, most Mordes still got Rylais because they knew that he was kitable and they needed ways to get around it. Even before Liandry change, they would still get the item. I'm willing to concede that the frequency which Rylai's was bought increased, but a large number of players (even mains) got Rylai's before AP changes.

And Rylais absolutely can impact the way you play Morde.

I'm glad that you think that morde having 15 less MS than any of the other juggs is justifyable even though hes "kitable as fk" Don't take things out of context; he has other strengths in his kit that justify him having less ms. Most of it is due to him having tools leftover from "ADC Morde"

NyarlathοtepMar 21, 20182 votes

Because riot.

AhristocatsMar 21, 20182 votes

because some champions are balanced around being slow while others are not

saltranMar 21, 20182 votes

They have been ignoring Mordekaiser for a while, not saying that is fine but he will probably stay in the same spot until someday he gets a miracle VGU.

O Fallen ScholarMar 21, 20181 votes

It's not even that significant. There's so much free movement speed in this game already that comes from crabs, items and runes alone. In old league movement speed was really scarce.