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Yasuo windwall has the impact of an ultimate ability!

TurtleMari··15 votes·4,646 views

[Alot of frustration speaks out of me, so be prepared. Also, please read first before you judge].

As the title says, his windwall is too strong to be just a normal ability and it should be an ultimate ability in my opinion. I mean, he can basically put his windwall down in a teamfight and make the adc of your team useless, because your adc has no chance to do any damage. If you go to far into the fight where you can actually damage someone, you die. If you don't go further into the fight, you still die after the fight is over because your team had no damage.

Did you know that the windwall also can block the Thresh lantern, even if its not a projectile at all? A few days ago, or yesterday was it i believe, i read a post about how normal abilities should not be able to negate ultimate abilities and i completely agree on that. Some would maybe think about the Braum E, but in that case atleast he takes all the damage and cc, yasuo can just stand inside his windwall and be completely immune to every kind of projectile, semi projectile or autoattack.

The Windwall should just not be able to block ultimate abilities or atleast should have some kind of healthbar / limit to how much it can block. Increasing the cooldown would not help at all, since the mechanic as a whole is the problem. Just think about it for a second, how do you counterplay the yasuo windwall as an adc (miss fortune) in the middle of a teamfight?

Greetings. ~

E: If i would be some high ELO Yasuo main, suddenly alot of people would agree with me..

43 Comments

Blåbæret6 votes

You will get downvoted because there's a ton of Yasuo mains.

But his kit is definitely overloaded, and the wind wall is broken. He and his team can literally stand in it and there isn't jack you can do about it, Then when it's finally down - it's right back up again, all while spamming whirlwinds and ulting every one. His crit passive should be looked at as well.

JustMonika132 votes

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You will get downvoted because there's a ton of Yasuo mains.

But his kit is definitely overloaded, and the wind wall is broken. He and his team can literally stand in it and there isn't jack you can do about it, Then when it's finally down - it's right back up again, all while spamming whirlwinds and ulting every one. His crit passive should be looked at as well.

Up again? It's going to be at rank 1 for half of the game at 26 seconds, at max being around 18 seconds I believe; at all ranks the wall lasts (less than) FOUR (I repeat, (less than) FOUR) seconds. Most Yasuos don't build CDR with the intention of doing so (though I admit that some of the recently popular items on him give CDR). How about punishing Yasuo every time he tries to charge up his Q on a minion in a team fight then? Especially since he's so squishy?

His crit passive is fine; 10% reduced damage, not very good base AD, and is usually (especially in ranked) going to only build two AD items through the whole game if he wants to remain alive in team fights and isn't ridiculously ahead because you can't focus him early on.

Stars Shaper4 votes

Then you realize his ultimate ability has a small window of usage and doesn't bring on the table anything if he doesn't stack on the enemies hit.

TurtleMari3 votes

It is not about his ultimate ability, it is about his windwall.

Stars Shaper3 votes

The thing is: His Wind Wall has a power closer to an ultimate move because his ultimate move doesn't have a lot power.

TurtleMari3 votes

50% Armor shred for 15 seconds after his ult + the cc and damage (if he deosnt get cc'ed out of it) is not a lot of power? Seems legit. not.

Stars Shaper5 votes
  • 50% bonus armor.
  • Needs to stick around enemies (who, if brained, won't leave him do whatever he wants).
  • Needs a knockup either froma team mate or his own telegraphed 3rd Q.
  • Its damage is around the lowest among all ultimates.
The Whamboozler5 votes

I smell a Yas main. If you think his ultimate is bad dude... I don't know what to tell you other than this.

People build entire wombo comps around Yasuo's ult. His ult is VERY strong, just SLIGHTLY situational and a little tricky to use. If you think his ult is weak in ANY sense at all... you're wrong. Flat out wrong.

yKdPiXRoy2 votes

get your facts right before you open a balancing post

Mecha MaIphite4 votes

Imagine if Azir's ultimate had a 20 second CD.

That is an ability with ultimate-level power. If Yasuo's wall was on even a 60 second CD, it would be awful to use.

TurtleMari2 votes

Azir's wall deos not block everything thats not in meele range.

Mecha MaIphite2 votes

Are you seriously arguing that Azir wall is weaker than Yasuo wall?

Yasuo wall is a small pain in the ass for ranged champions. Azir ultimate temporarily nullifies the purpose of an entire class.

TurtleMari1 votes

Im not going to argue with you since you seem to not understand my post even slightly.

Sythriel Draken4 votes

His kit is terribly overloaded.. his windwall needs to be on a longer cd, as well as his ultimate. right now, a yas has the ability to three shot really any one that's not a tank, has like a 10 second cd on his wall and can ult like every 20 seconds(which is ridiculous). sure the ult takes a knock up, but there's SO MANY in the game right now. hell, you can have a team of just knock ups for yas and it be 100% competitive.. It doesn't even have to knock them up completely, just disrupt them.. Also, yas's can almost never die with bloodlust/grasp of the undying and of course Maw's super lifesteal ...

A Basic Island3 votes

Didn't read cus title is so retarded.

TurtleMari2 votes

sigh as always. People complain about clickbaity titles and if someone wants to discuss something seriously that person gets downvoted until the post pretty much deosn't exists anymore on the boards.. yep, logic.

yKdPiXRoy1 votes

get gud and dont whine about uneccessary things

btw isnt there a riot post thats called "before you make a post about balance" read it

TurtleMari2 votes

Where do i whine about anything? You are just simply 'annoyed' by the fact that i make a reasonable post, try to have a discussing with normal human beings who can argue like those and don't compare Elo. Elo deosn't mean anything. You can't buy anything with it and it deosn't help you in life at all.. ever.

yKdPiXRoy1 votes

"elo doesnt help you in life at all.. ever." not when youre bronze 5, ye

TurtleMari3 votes

I never was in bronze and i don't play ranked. And even if i would be in like, lets say diamond i could not buy anything with it. 'Hey, im diamond in a Videogame online' Well yeah, who cares? Im an semi professional dark souls speedrunner who can beat those games in under 2 hours and make money out of it. Do you see the difference? Anyways, if you're done insulting.. write a ticket to the support and ask for a permanent chat restriction and a forum ban, please. Thank you. :)

The Whamboozler4 votes

Didn't read, but took the time to shitpost and insult the OP.

Boards in a nutshell.

A Basic Island1 votes

i didn't insult the op at all i simply stated that the title is retarded

Dragonis Gardia3 votes

This thread shows that the prejudices about yasuo mains are 90% valid.

yKdPiXRoy2 votes

in my elo adcs dont stand still when yasuo puts down his windwall and keep attacking targets behind it,

dont play in bronze then your problem with adcs beeing useless vs yasuo is solved

TurtleMari4 votes

I am not an adc main, so i can't things like hit an run. But even if i could, it wouldn't change anything just because of the width of his windwall.

yKdPiXRoy1 votes

"i am not an adc main" so dont complain ? if youre not an adc main you have no right to talk about a champ just because he played BETTER than you obviously get good

yKdPiXRoy1 votes

why should riot balance champs around low elo players like you, youre playing wrong and i would consider to not open balance threads until you gained atleast a bit of game understanding. ~ 25 divisions higher than you are right now should be enough

TurtleMari3 votes

Elo deosn't matter at all! Since you value Elo so much.. i guess you need to compare that for something. :s

yKdPiXRoy1 votes

"elo doesnt matter at all" only bronze 5 players say that since they cant climb lmao get gut

japan hate acc2 votes

As a player with level 5 mastery with Yasuo, I can see what you mean, but to be honest, the description is a little over-exaggerated. Yasuo cannot make the ADC useless in a teamfight just through his windwall; the duration of the windwall plus the high cooldown is sure of that. If you can't do anything as an ADC when a Yasuo puts down his windwall, that's your fault; you can move. Wait for a Yasuo to use it, THEN ult. Also, your E doesn't get blocked by the windwall, so that is another good way. All in all, it isn't that much of a problem.

TurtleMari3 votes

It is too strong. Fact is fact. His windwall increases in width, so it covers almost an entire lane if placed properly. How do you want to manage to get around that in less then a second, huh? Walking? Until you reach the point where you can do damage again, the fight is over and you die. Also, if you play adc.. sure your E gets over his wall, but its not doing anything if all you wanna do is just ult.

yKdPiXRoy1 votes

i thihk even in silver people start to know what positioning is, play there and stop complaining

japan hate acc3 votes

{quoted}

It is too strong. Fact is fact. His windwall increases in width, so it covers almost an entire lane if placed properly. How do you want to manage to get around that in less then a second, huh? Walking? Until you reach the point where you can do damage again, the fight is over and you die. Also, if you play adc.. sure your E gets over his wall, but its not doing anything if all you wanna do is just ult.

Look, you obviously don't know what you're talking about. His windwall does not cover the entire lane.

The Whamboozler3 votes

High cooldown? I don't know what world you're from that you think windwall is on a "high cooldown" for such a game-changing ability. It might SEEM like a high cooldown to a Yas main, but I assure you that's only because windwall is basically the only ability he has that even HAS a cooldown... barring his ult, of course... but if you're suggesting his ULT shouldn't have a cooldown (and for an ult, it's a low one anyway) you can go straight to hell.

Also, yes. Windwall when used properly utterly neuters an enemy adc and possibly their mage/midlaner as well. For a role where positioning is VERY important and every second of auto-attacks matters, making them walk through or around the windwall to keep fighting is huge. It can leave them open to being dove. It can just block their damage for long enough to win you the fight. It can give you a reprieve from their damage long enough to get abilities off of cooldown and turn the fight around. It can cockblock vital abilities that would ruin your team. It's HUGE.

Just because it's hard to use it to perfection doesn't mean it's not absurdly good. I'm with the OP in the sense that I feel windwall is crap... on Yasuo. It would be a great ability to have on a support or a defensive tanky type. Like say... Braum. You know, the guy who's ENTIRE theme is about protecting his team. Braum's block is decidedly inferior to Yasuo's and that is utterly moronic to me. Yas is about dashing around, killing people and screaming weeaboo gibberish... not defending his team. Take away windwall on him and give him something more fitting a mobile fighter-carry and leave the defending to the people who are supposed to do that! It will GREATLY reduce the amount of hate people give Yas too, since windwall is a HUGE reason why he's so obnoxious to fight.

JustMonika132 votes

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As one of the few melee ADCs in the game, crowd control is HIGHLY DEADLY to him. A still Yasuo is a very sad and very dead Yasuo. His Windwall is meant to be his back up plan shall the person he's against has enough of a brain to wait for a time that he's unable to dodge with E or-- gods forbid, they can actually predict his movement (unless they're using targeted CC like Tibbers stun combo (fuck that bear))! Considering the mobility creep, most of the popular ADCs can reposition quite easily.

Now, lets compare Yasuo's Windwall and Braum's Unbreakable: WW: CD -- 26/24/22/20/18 (it's going to stay at Rank 1 for a good amount of time). The duration is a static 3.75 seconds, and it grows with levels: 300/350/400/450/500. It cannot be re-positioned and it only moves slightly forward. UB: CD -- 18/16/14/12/10 (I'm not sure if it's ranked last, I haven't played any Braum). The duration goes up with levels, lasting shorter than WW at rank 1 but eventually lasting only a tiny bit longer. It can move along with him. Let me repeat: it. Can. Move. Along. With. Him. Braum takes damage because he can actually tank the damage unlike the squishy Yasuo.

I find Windwall and Unbreakable to be very appropriate for both parties, Windwall is the "parry" part of his kit, something that's used to almost always defend himself (at least I save Windwall for preventing my ass to be caught in the crossfire. That and preventing objective steals). It builds on his Strike, dodge, parry theme that was planned for him, and it's appropriate that as someone who controls wind he can use the wind to stop projectiles. At least he can't "parry" melee things like a certain duelist and a lamp-wielding fighter. Braum's wall protects his teammates, and he takes the brunt of the damage as someone who's willing and capable to put himself in danger for others, so it's extremely thematic.

Yes I play a lot of Yasuo, but I main Jhin, someone Yasuo counters extremely hard. I know the pain of a Yasuo kicking my ass in lane and in teamfights, but Im not salty about it because it's usually my fault.

The Whamboozler3 votes

{quoted}

As one of the few melee ADCs in the game, crowd control is HIGHLY DEADLY to him. A still Yasuo is a very sad and very dead Yasuo. His Windwall is meant to be his back up plan shall the person he's against has enough of a brain to wait for a time that he's unable to dodge with E or-- gods forbid, they can actually predict his movement (unless they're using targeted CC like Tibbers stun combo (fuck that bear))! Considering the mobility creep, most of the popular ADCs can reposition quite easily.

This is true for plenty of people. Yi is the prime example. Yi's solution is to only go in when it's smart or to dodge CC with his Q. This is more appropriate for an aggressive melee carry. Yasuo's ability lets him play a supportive, defensive role if he wants.

Now, lets compare Yasuo's Windwall and Braum's Unbreakable: WW: CD -- 26/24/22/20/18 (it's going to stay at Rank 1 for a good amount of time). The duration is a static 3.75 seconds, and it grows with levels: 300/350/400/450/500. It cannot be re-positioned and it only moves slightly forward. UB: CD -- 18/16/14/12/10 (I'm not sure if it's ranked last, I haven't played any Braum). The duration goes up with levels, lasting shorter than WW at rank 1 but eventually lasting only a tiny bit longer. It can move along with him. Let me repeat: it. Can. Move. Along. With. Him. Braum takes damage because he can actually tank the damage unlike the squishy Yasuo.

Given that Yas can toss Wind Wall between his backline and the enemy's frontline and then just kinda walk away and fight instead of having to babysit, I would say this isn't a flaw. Braum can't do as much while he's defending allies. He also doesn't negate damage from the abilities to hit him entirely. He ignores the first and then tanks partial damage. Good. Strong. But Yasuo's negates EVERYTHING. Braum is ALSO still vulnerable to CC while using his E. Wind Wall stops CC unless the ability gets around Wind Wall entirely.

Also I'm PRETTY sure you can still auto-attack around Braum's E. I'll admit I haven't tested this in a while since I don't play much Braum, but doesn't his E only stop skillshots? Not auto attacks? Even if it DOES, I would still say Yasuo's version of the spell is still better. Braum being able to move with his isn't really THAT great. Yas being able to fire and forget a spell that stops his backline from taking a single point of damage... and then jump into the fight doing what he wants to do however...

I find Windwall and Unbreakable to be very appropriate for both parties, Windwall is the "parry" part of his kit, something that's used to almost always defend himself (at least I save Windwall for preventing my ass to be caught in the crossfire. That and preventing objective steals). It builds on his Strike, dodge, parry theme that was planned for him, and it's appropriate that as someone who controls wind he can use the wind to stop projectiles. At least he can't "parry" melee things like a certain duelist and a lamp-wielding fighter. Braum's wall protects his teammates, and he takes the brunt of the damage as someone who's willing and capable to put himself in danger for others, so it's extremely thematic.

Jax only stops Auto attacks. Jax is also pretty weak right now. Jax is also ONLY really any good BECAUSE he can stop auto attacks. Jax is also pretty harshly limited by the rest of his kit being WAY more simple, bare-bones and lacking in utility over Yas. I mean, yeah... he can negate autos... but he doesn't even come CLOSE to being able to pull off the crazy crap Yas can do, like spam-dashing down an entire lane through minions, or CC bombing the entire enemy team for a wombo combo. Jax just picks one guy and slaps him stupid. He has a LOT less options and utility.

Fiora can parry anything, but she has a VERY narrow window to do so. Like... half second. Also, Fiora is a terrible example for me because I think she was horribly bungled in her rework and I hate her now... so I would just say Fiora AND Yasuo are crap... not that Yas being on par with Fiora makes him "balanced".

Yes I play a lot of Yasuo, but I main Jhin, someone Yasuo counters extremely hard. I know the pain of a Yasuo kicking my ass in lane and in teamfights, but Im not salty about it because it's usually my fault.

The post isn't about salt. I see Yasuo's feed as often as stomp and I beat them brutally as often as I lose to one. I just think he is VERY poorly designed, and that the way he has been designed makes him a frustrating mess.

japan hate acc1 votes

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High cooldown? I don't know what world you're from that you think windwall is on a "high cooldown" for such a game-changing ability. It might SEEM like a high cooldown to a Yas main, but I assure you that's only because windwall is basically the only ability he has that even HAS a cooldown... barring his ult, of course... but if you're suggesting his ULT shouldn't have a cooldown (and for an ult, it's a low one anyway) you can go straight to hell.

Also, yes. Windwall when used properly utterly neuters an enemy adc and possibly their mage/midlaner as well. For a role where positioning is VERY important and every second of auto-attacks matters, making them walk through or around the windwall to keep fighting is huge. It can leave them open to being dove. It can just block their damage for long enough to win you the fight. It can give you a reprieve from their damage long enough to get abilities off of cooldown and turn the fight around. It can cockblock vital abilities that would ruin your team. It's HUGE.

Just because it's hard to use it to perfection doesn't mean it's not absurdly good. I'm with the OP in the sense that I feel windwall is crap... on Yasuo. It would be a great ability to have on a support or a defensive tanky type. Like say... Braum. You know, the guy who's ENTIRE theme is about protecting his team. Braum's block is decidedly inferior to Yasuo's and that is utterly moronic to me. Yas is about dashing around, killing people and screaming weeaboo gibberish... not defending his team. Take away windwall on him and give him something more fitting a mobile fighter-carry and leave the defending to the people who are supposed to do that! It will GREATLY reduce the amount of hate people give Yas too, since windwall is a HUGE reason why he's so obnoxious to fight.

Yeah, you have no idea what you're talking about.

The Whamboozler3 votes

Pithy, vaguely insulting comment without a single refute of anything I said or making a single point yourself.

In debates that is called "losing".

japan hate acc1 votes

{quoted}

Pithy, vaguely insulting comment without a single refute of anything I said or making a single point yourself.

In debates that is called "losing".

"Losing", huh? Telling me that I can go to hell, misinformation, namecalling, all are immature, and the fact that everyone is downvoting you seems to show that you are pretty alone to your opinion. Not fact, opinion.

Another thing that isn't a fact is that his windwall covers the lane. This is incorrect. It actually does have a high cooldown, and can easily be avoided. To be honest, if an ADC can't manage his/her own resources and abilities well, then it is their own fault for getting blocked. Yasuo is one of the hardest champions to play well in this game. He is very squishy, and very vulnerable to cc. There are many ways to deal with him. His windwall is fine.

The Whamboozler2 votes

I'm not sure that three yasuo mains downvoting me counts as "everyone" but you seem pretty upset, so I'm just gonna let you have this one. You win... whatever it is you think we're arguing about here. Ok? You're clearly cranky and confused here.

For instance, I never said that windwall covers the entire lane. That was someone else.... or you're just making it up. I'm not even entirely certain what your point is beyond "I like Yasuo". Um... okay. You're allowed to. I don't. I'm allowed to. GG.

But whatever. This entire talk is a waste of time and honestly, it's not even fun laughing at you anymore so... you win. You are clearly FAR more dedicated to shitposting angry crap defending your champion than I am to replying to your nonsense. Good job. I'm gonna head out now and wash my hands of this mess. Feel free to keep ranting though if you'd like. You clearly feel VERY strongly about this for some reason.

japan hate acc1 votes

{quoted}

I'm not sure that three yasuo mains downvoting me counts as "everyone" but you seem pretty upset, so I'm just gonna let you have this one. You win... whatever it is you think we're arguing about here. Ok? You're clearly cranky and confused here.

For instance, I never said that windwall covers the entire lane. That was someone else.... or you're just making it up. I'm not even entirely certain what your point is beyond "I like Yasuo". Um... okay. You're allowed to. I don't. I'm allowed to. GG.

But whatever. This entire talk is a waste of time and honestly, it's not even fun laughing at you anymore so... you win. You are clearly FAR more dedicated to shitposting angry crap defending your champion than I am to replying to your nonsense. Good job. I'm gonna head out now and wash my hands of this mess. Feel free to keep ranting though if you'd like. You clearly feel VERY strongly about this for some reason.

Lol wait hold on. My bad, I thought you were the OP. Now I see why I probably came off as cranky; because you had said some things that the OP had said, and I thought you weren't listening. My bad.

Emerald Fang2 votes

No, it's just that Riot needs to redefine what a "projectile" is. Right now, it's any attack that moves.

Actually wind wall isn't that effective. B/c if the enemy is smart they will counterpick an assassin (Zed, Kat, Akali) or someone like Malzahar without any projectiles.

XIC Ironheart2 votes

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