Like we buffed the mages that didnt fucking need a buff because they were already busted.
What about 
o mb they took balanced to look at despite kassadin having some of the shittiest burst
Lady Hammerlock7 votesCant tell if you got the memo but this was the IMMOBILE mage update
Hex the FenFen5 votesNo one wants Lissandra to be buffed because she is still amazingly broken apparently, IMO i think Lissandra should have been changed into an all-in burst mage/ anti assassin mage and be given a new passive, instead of a poke mage.
kebslol1 votesLissandra can't poke. Her range is too short and she does not have true ranged stuns, slows, or roots, like EVERY other character out there. Liss is not broken, and you would know by trying to solo queue her. All balance decisions should be based off of solo queue, not platinum and above play. This game is for the 80 percent of people not that good. So leave the playing field for once, and buff Lissandra in silver and below, and leave her be in platinum. Her poor play rate and win rate are more than enough evidence she needs a buff.
Hex the FenFen1 votesI utterly agree! The other thing is Lissandra feels more like an all-in mage rather than poke based on her kit. Zyra feels like a poke mage because of her ability to stay back spawn plants and land spells, while Lissandra has a move that allows her to go in, which makes her kit feel like it should be played as an all in burst mage not a kite mage. I would love Lissandra so much more if they buffed her into that kind of playstyle instead and give her a new passive.
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lunar Hex,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6nHasJPp,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-30T20:33:56.418+0000)
I utterly agree! The other thing is Lissandra feels more like an all-in mage rather than poke based on her kit. Zyra feels like a poke mage because of her ability to stay back spawn plants and land spells, while Lissandra has a move that allows her to go in, which makes her kit feel like it should be played as an all in burst mage not a kite mage. I would love Lissandra so much more if they buffed her into that kind of playstyle instead and give her a new passive.
liss == control mage
liss == bullshit toplaner that shits on people without good gapclosers
Hex the FenFen1 votesI get what she is supposed to be, but just because she is SUPPOSED to be that doesn't mean she feels that way...my fiance has been playing this game for around 4 years and absolutely loves Lissandra and he still feels her kit would feel much better if she played more like an all in kill one target and screw over the rest kind of mage.
She has the tools to be a control mage but she still feels like a mage that should be going in to "nuke" a squishy champion be it their adc or mid lane. Besides tank counters nuke AP casters, wouldn't her being a more burst mage make her not a "Bullshit top laner" anymorr? Wouldn't that be a healthy thing? A good thing?
And furthermore, as a control mage, her ranges really are too low (unless she is top) to really control much of anything, and this is why she feels more like a bursty anti assassin kind of mage in lane. In lane she doesn't control jack shit, I mean she has poke? I guess? Maybe, no, not really in mid lane unless she is against an assassin with bad laning. Sure she has control for fights but unless her team has CC to help her go in and properly get everyone in her root/ult or if the enemy team is dumb enough to actually not scram when they see her E coming she won't be accomplishing anything at all.
A control mage should be a mage that can control a zone of the lane/ map to their advantage and make it harder for the enemies to progress or come near them. Examples of this kind of mage are: 
these are the best at fulfilling that kind of role. Lissandra is more of a disruptor and works on splitting the fight up. She can be called a "team fight control" mage but a lot of champions can be considered that and so it isn't really something she fits in. To me, and it is just my opinion, she feels, through her kit, like an anti assassin burst mage or all in burst. That's how her kit feels and would feel more fluid if it was played as such.
Don't get me wrong I love Lissandra but she does need help.
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lunar Hex,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6nHasJPp,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-31T10:17:28.747+0000)
I get what she is supposed to be, but just because she is SUPPOSED to be that doesn't mean she feels that way...my fiance has been playing this game for around 4 years and absolutely loves Lissandra and he still feels her kit would feel much better if she played more like an all in kill one target and screw over the rest kind of mage.
She has the tools to be a control mage but she still feels like a mage that should be going in to "nuke" a squishy champion be it their adc or mid lane. Besides tank counters nuke AP casters, wouldn't her being a more burst mage make her not a "Bullshit top laner" anymorr? Wouldn't that be a healthy thing? A good thing?
And furthermore, as a control mage, her ranges really are too low (unless she is top) to really control much of anything, and this is why she feels more like a bursty anti assassin kind of mage in lane. In lane she doesn't control jack shit, I mean she has poke? I guess? Maybe, no, not really in mid lane unless she is against an assassin with bad laning. Sure she has control for fights but unless her team has CC to help her go in and properly get everyone in her root/ult or if the enemy team is dumb enough to actually not scram when they see her E coming she won't be accomplishing anything at all.
A control mage should be a mage that can control a zone of the lane/ map to their advantage and make it harder for the enemies to progress or come near them. Examples of this kind of mage are:
Don't get me wrong I love Lissandra but she does need help.
so what you're telling me is..
she's not a control mage... but when they see that E mark the seas part even if she doesnt move lol.
that's what a control mage does. She's anti-engage, anti-assassin, anti alot of things. If you want her buffed the first thing they'd have to do is get rid of her ult and gut the shit out of her ridiculous Q ability. At max cooldowns that thing is just another autoattack lol.
Caítlyn4 votesBecause the whole "reworks" project was an excuse to nerf 
Miraweave2 votesBecause the whole "reworks" project was an excuse to nerf
Viktor, Anivia, Swain, and Vlad got buffed.
Arakadia6 votesSwain only got buffed after the rework went live btw.
WoonStruck2 votesAniv didn't get buffed. Her kit won't be realistically usable now unless everything from picks to enemy idiocy is in her favor. Teamfights don't last long enough or stay in one place long enough for her ult to be of decent use now. If a fight isn't in the jungle with perfect circumstances for Anivia, she's largely useless now unless her team is fed and she can just force people out of position (which is still very hard due to decreased ranges).
Swain got nerfed, then buffed repeatedly. Getting over-buffed post-rework doesn't mean the rework buffed Swain. It means it changed him, making him weaker, then he got buffed. In the end, he'll simply be weaker because his laning went down, and his scaling went down, at least on SR. Especially with the state of GW for AD.
AP Vlad (which was all that existed prior to the rework) wasn't just nerfed, it was gutted. Flat out. AP is practically unusable unless you're against complete idiots. HP Vlad is all that's making Vlad even playable, and that's simply because he cannot be bursted down, so he works as an incredible zoner mid-late game that is very difficult to punish if played properly.
Mhihnj1 votesVel'koz didn't get much of a buff or nerf but rather a changed play style( And i think they are reverting it next patch)
Cass: No idea. I have never really played her that much
Anivia: FeelsBadMan
Nameless Voice1 votesI know winrates aren't everything, but you do realise Anivia currently has the second-highest winrate for a mid champion and the third-highest winrate overall? And that her winrate skyrocketed in patch 6.10 (after a major drop in 6.9.) Her play rate also went up significantly.
Vistha Kai1 votesFunny you say that, since her play rate went down by a whole 1% percent in 6.9, which makes up for a quarter of her playerbase, then went up whole 0.4% in 6.10.
Unless you mean stats across tiers, then it's now about the same as it was before 6.9.
Nameless Voice1 votesOh, oops, my last line was wrong. I only saw it went up significantly in 6.10, forgot to check how far it dropped in 6.9.
Vistha Kai1 votesEven so 0.4% is veeeery small increase.
Vlad for example went from 2.8 to 8.4%, so three times the player base increase. It since dropped nearly by half, though, 4,5%.
[I'm sourcing champion.gg since it's much faster than finding the same stats on LoLking - requires cross-referencing with patch dates and otherwise much more clicks]
Nameless Voice1 votesYeah, it looked big because her playerbase is so tiny. (I was also judging by the fact that I've actually seen her played lately, as opposed to... well, the almost never that she was played before.
Vistha Kai1 votesObviously there was a spike, because of "the new shiny" like always, but ultimately it was a drop.
Personally, I've seen quite a few Anivia players in my games before there was a mention she'll appear in MYMU. Certainly more than Syndra, but when can it happen, if I pick her in most of my mid games, eh?
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes[{quoted}](name=Nameless Voice,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6nHasJPp,comment-id=00020000000200010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-05-30T20:18:56.295+0000)
Yeah, it looked big because her playerbase is so tiny. (I was also judging by the fact that I've actually seen her played lately, as opposed to... well, the almost never that she was played before.
she is a counterpick not a primary pick. And she is a strong one too
ModAttysu The Poro1 votesViktor, Anivia, Swain, and Vlad got buffed.
I'd argue with Anivia's ult, but yeah number wise she got buffed, I just feel like her ult is kinda awkward now .-.
WoonStruck1 votesUnrelated, but what's your avatar from? o.o
ModAttysu The Poro1 votesUnrelated, but what's your avatar from? o.o
Black Bullet, the character is Midori Fuse~ :)
CerealBoxOfDoom3 votesthey got new items and both mages are actually very dangerous to buff and will likely be doing better when their season comes. Alot better.
Also I doubt most people are playing them properly at the moment and their strongest matchups arent popular right now
Athenes Lulu3 votesThe purpose of the mage rework update was not to buff/nerf certain champs, but instead change their kits.
PIuie Battante2 votesWhat about 
. One of the oldest, and now in my opinion blandest/boring and somewhat ok.
DrCyanide7 votesIn my opinion, Twisted Fate is interesting because he's easy to understand but surprisingly hard to execute with.
Then again, I'm a fan of champion design that doesn't revolve around mashing QWER in a certain order as fast as you can.
PIuie Battante2 votesIn my opinion, Twisted Fate is interesting because he's easy to understand but surprisingly hard to execute with.
Then again, I'm a fan of champion design that doesn't revolve around mashing QWER in a certain order as fast as you can.
Yea but he's got such a boring kit, with an ok setup. I think he looks extremely cool, with his new changed back story. They don't even try and do anything unique with him, or give him a decent passive or an actual E ability. (Stacked deck is good number wise, but the issues with trying to get it up in laning combat or team fights is a issue, and his passive doesn't amount to a high gold, 200 cs is around 400-600 gold which you can't really get anything with)
They could make it so his recent W pick affected his Q wild cards. Idk add a new effect to his pick a cards. Maybe Blue has a small knock back, red does a magical crit, gold is fine the way it is. But i'm just spitballing here
Miraweave2 votesLissandra is totally fine. She's in a great spot right now. Of course she has low burst, she has utility for days high burst would break her.
Arakadia1 votesHer passive should change for sure though.
Miraweave2 votesHer passive should change for sure though.
How?
She's already good. Giving her a passive with more power in it would break her, and I don't think anyone wants her spells to be weaker.
Her passive's not amazing, but it's fine and she's fine with it.
Arakadia2 votesI'm not sure it would break her, atleast make it something interesting. Her current passive is an excuse for her mana problems, very similarly to Veigar.
Quepha2 votesI'm not sure it would break her, atleast make it something interesting. Her current passive is an excuse for her mana problems, very similarly to Veigar.
It's pretty much the reason she can flex pick to top lane.
Arakadia1 votesWell if thats true that is a problem. Maybe theirs a real passive she could get that lets her go top still? But I dont understand why giving her normal mana, regen, and costs would make her any different in top lane.
Quepha2 votesWell if thats true that is a problem. Maybe theirs a real passive she could get that lets her go top still? But I dont understand why giving her normal mana, regen, and costs would make her any different in top lane.
Because mana conservation is more important in top lane as a trip back to base costs much more time and Lissandra's passive scales up in usefulness as you cast spells less. It allows Lissandra to cast much more than most mages would be able to in top lane.
kebslol1 votesThis is a lie. Liss is too short ranged to cs without expending spells. She can not counter poke and still farm. If you played Lissandra at all you would know this.
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votesThis is a lie. Liss is too short ranged to cs without expending spells. She can not counter poke and still farm. If you played Lissandra at all you would know this.
she can do both at once or she can build cooldowns and have it off cooldown quickly. She doesnt need great range and she gets a free spell every so often, this duration can be reduced by casting spells. (and inhibiting movement but boils down to casting spells)
Quepha1 votesThis is a lie. Liss is too short ranged to cs without expending spells. She can not counter poke and still farm. If you played Lissandra at all you would know this.
You need to educate yourself. She was a pick at LCS for both mid and top lane. A consistent flex pick at the highest levels of play.
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votesWell if thats true that is a problem. Maybe theirs a real passive she could get that lets her go top still? But I dont understand why giving her normal mana, regen, and costs would make her any different in top lane.
her current passive is great in toplane especially with the new morellonomicon pieces
stop building glass and rush CDR like your balls are on fire
WoonStruck1 votesGive her something more useful, she'll see a lot more play and get gutted for the kit she has.
She needs a rework for reasons that are not 'being bad'.
kebslol1 votesLissandras lack of burst makes her easily kill able, and for her to get burst herself she sacrifices survivability, which is totally unfair because NO OTHER CLASS OF CHAMPIONS has this problem. She can not simply self heal through damage, nor by cc
Hex the FenFen1 votes^THIS THIS 10000000000x over THIS YES THIS, this pisses me off so much that she can't build like a burst mage like others can to a success.
CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes[{quoted}](name=Lunar Hex,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=6nHasJPp,comment-id=000400010000,timestamp=2016-05-30T20:37:17.947+0000)
^THIS THIS 10000000000x over THIS YES THIS, this pisses me off so much that she can't build like a burst mage like others can to a success.
Liss would be better if AP items with defense gave CDR
items like 
or 
....
OH WAIT
liss is not a burst mage, burst is not the goal of a mage. Nuking is the goal of a mage.
Liss unleashes mass widespread damage and control into teamfights and threatens to burst low hp targets. with her stuff off cooldown you aren't gonna run up on her as 50% hp singed or volibear and pull that bullshit play.
She's gonna insta stun you and lock you down, anyone who comes to help you is going to get burned.
The Last Ballad2 votesIt was an update to immobile mages to help diversify the roster(and to fix some issues with certain champs theme). How on earth is Kassadin immobile? And Lissandra has no kit problems, other than a undodgeable, but cleansable, ult. And a slightly boring passive. But again, in no way immobile with her blink.
Not to mention Kassadin needs some serious love, and adding him into a group update of 8-12 different champs would of deprived him of the resources he needed for a quality update.
CrazedPorcupine1 votesKassadin needs to be looked at in the Assassin update.
The Last Ballad1 votesThat he does, seeing as there is no other classes he would fit in.
aeVoWXYKH02 votesI just can't agree to the Annie buffs. Not only did she keep her stupidly huge burst that is impossible to miss or dodge unless you get lucky and can read her once, but now her bear is retarded, I once flashed her ult because I could guess she was going to ult me, but then tibbers comes at me and still deals over 800 dmg in a few seconds. Minding Tibbers makes it impossible to focus on the enemy, btw, trying to run from him won't work with his movement speed bursts, and also, focusing the enemy and ignoring Tibbers will yield even more damage than what I received.
MissMikasa1 votesOh really? Well I'm a level 5 Annie, and can say I'm pretty good at her. I played her for the first time since the rework the other day, and I couldn't kill Kat for the life of me when I usually beat the shit out of her. She watched my charge bar and if I used my stun to farm she bam went in on me, and even when I had my stun up she would dive me under turret and it was as if my stun didn't even go off. Frustrated me to no end.
I'm not sure she was that buffed much during this update, as I surely don't like it.
kebslol1 votesYou don't have the right to own Kat. That's why you need a nerf. You own too many people. How many people can Lissandra own in lane? ZERO.
Jeddy0172 votesYou must have missed the point of the update. The goal was to update the kits of IMMOBILE mages to differentiate them from each other WHILE providing a unique gameplay experience as, with & against said champs. It's like the Marksman update & the Juggernaut update.
Eraenis2 votesKassadin is pretty sick with the update. He always suffered from poor itemisation choices, which the update fixed.
