Zed vs Rengar against the tank meta?

Griefer·Jul 13, 2015·2 votes·745 views

Who do you think is more effective?

Zed can ulti the carry, but risks getting cc'ed before he can finish his combo. Also his ult is countered by QSS, Zhonya's.

Rengar isn't useful until 6, but once he gets max fero stacks, he can ult the carry, and use empowered bola to secure the kill.

Both champs have the same assassination concept. Ult the carry and kill them, but for whatever reason I feel like Rengar executes this better. Why???

edit: zed fanboys downvoting rengar comments lol

12 Comments

buster kitonJul 13, 20152 votes

Because when Rengar gets enough items and executes his combo perfectly, there is literally nothing you can do to counter it even if you were grouped because the carry will die right as his jump lands. Rengar also has some innate tankiness from his w, isn't too ult-reliant when in the fight and can provide cc for his team.

N3mO06Jul 13, 20152 votes

Rengar is an all in champ, zed no and also rengar can be countered by Zhonyas or Ga and even banshee if the enamy group as 5 and hve almost 1 exhaust. Everything th allow y to survive to Rengar's burst, counter him. Zed can be countered by zhonyas, ecc, but he doesn't need to go all in. Moreover zed is also better against tank because he can build botrk and other low base ad items without loosing dps due his w and also has% healt damage as MAGIC dmage has passive. Zed also has a safer lane phase and better wave clear and ranged poke without risk. Also his cd on R is a way better! His R is INSTANT and with inviciblity frame. Zed is still better and less situational then Rengar, but now Rengar is fashionable , transient as it was before Zed . But counting numbers , zed is better against tank

edit: Zed can stil build an defensive item and still be effective, Rengar need full dps and without boots. Then, try to defend the base with Rengar, then try zed. You will see who is usefull

GrieferJul 13, 20151 votes

While you make good arguments, Rengar can also be built a bruiser, but better top. At core they are both assassins, but to say that he needs to build full damage to be effective just isn't true.

YumaS2AstralJul 13, 20151 votes

Rengar is certainly better, his damage can't be countered by any specific item (it can be countered by armor, but you have to stack a lot of it, and you can't do that if you are the ADC). Granted that Rengar will probaby commit suicide if he tries to kill the ADC, but if he does that but still manages to get rid of the enemy ADC, then his job is done.

However, Zed is way better at getting rid of tanks, if that's what you are looking, use him. Otherwise, Rengar is the better, because you usually want to assassinate the squishies, not the tanks. Zed still takes a while to kill the enemy tank, and during this time he can die if that's during a teamfight.

GrieferJul 13, 20152 votes

I feel like the reason why Rengar's assassination is better is because his damage doesn't depend on his ult. On the other hand however, when Zed goes to assasinate, his burst depends on how much damage you do while the deathmark is active, and his Q damage is reduced if it hits something else before hitting the intended target.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Shroom JunkieJul 13, 20151 votes

Because Rengar has a faster combo and can double one of his abilities if his ferocity is up.

He ults, runs in, jumps on the ADC, empowered Q, E, Q again, and W then some AA's if you happen to not get the kill after that(though you probably will).

However, unlike Rengar, Zed has an escape. He can ult in then just ult back a second later after he's got his combo off to safety, unlike Rengar who's now stuck in the thick of it.

So, I guess its more preference.

GrieferJul 13, 20151 votes

I've been playing both a lot lately, and Rengar just FEELS less clunky. Whenever I ult in with Zed, I find my Q's to be flying all over the place, and sometimes not even doing enough damage to kill the enemy, but maybe that's on my part. With Rengar, I can ult in with 5 stacks and know that my bola lockdown and a q will get the job done, if it means sacrificing myself,

Thoughts?

3tysonJul 13, 20151 votes

zed is ezz just let him ult and panic flash he misses all skilshots now he aint got shit

Angelofchaos16xJul 13, 20151 votes

Because Rengar ( If quick and/or fed enough) can 1 shot 2 or ( if beyond fed ) 3 targets before actually going down. That is in a proper team fight. Zed is a lot more single target focus and is a almost GARENteed kill on the target. However he has 0 resistance and 0 self sustain, and Rengar can have one or the other ( His W or his Empowered W ). Also Zed's is easier to avoid ( Qss if Ad, Zhonias if Ap), and while you can get this items against Rengar, his combo is faster then Zed's ( By that I mean you see the shadows coming and have time to use your escape item, while against Rengar, you don't see him until he has jumped on you).

GrieferJul 13, 20152 votes

Thank you for your comment! This was exactly in mind but I had no idea how to express it.

I feel like both are good, but zed is hard countered by 1 item is kinda cheese.

Angelofchaos16xJul 13, 20151 votes

You're welcome, and Happy Hunting all them carries