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How to deal with this situation?

Sciaphobia23·12/30/2014, 8:55:13 AM·1 votes·567 views

Hey guys first off I'm a fairly new player so I apologise if this seems glaringly obvious however this situation keeps occuring in all my solo Q games and I aren't sure how to deal with it. I play jungle a lot but also occasionally mid.

Basically it gets to a point where the entire enemy team is pushing mid, and no one wants to contest them. After they take a tower or two, the team gets together at mid despite several pings. So then if I play jungle, I ping the ADC as a target (usually graves lately) and wait for team to get into position whilst i sit in a bush, I ping again then run in to stun the adc so the team can focus him. I get to the ADC and stun, look at minimap and my entire team has backed into our base and left me 5v1 the second I went to stun. Now as you can understand this is really annoying, however usually I can get away just about... sometimes I die but not always.

So the other method is I instead decide to let them sit passive at mid and I splitpush a lane, which forces at least one person back, I kite this person a bit and eventually 4 or 5 come back however again no one moves from base at this point. I pointed out several times I am going to draw them away so push but they just move backward and forward by base turrets not even bothering to poke. Again in this situation I can usually use my mobility to get away from the people following me however I can't get a turret before they back to me so it ends up in a stalemate until they ignore me altogether, get baron whilst the team is passive then smash mid before I can do anything.

I expect I'll get a lot of L2P noob comments but I figured I'd try here since I am at a loss for what I am meant to do. This is literally every single game now unless we straight up win every lane.

8 Comments

skippersd12/30/2014, 10:50:58 AM3 votes

Checked you out, and while your original problem is a bit difficult to solve, I'd like to give a few advices.

summoner 13 . No. Never ever pick it on any champion. You may wanna buy a few mana pots when you leave base, but there are many more potent summoners.

Udyr: If you take TP on him, that means a splitpush/farm udyr. You want to use item 3726 enchantment as your jungle item, since you are planning to farm a lot. On the other hand, udyr is a good ganker, so you might wanna take ghost to abuse the fact. (or flash to flash over walls). Also note that udyr is a poor engage, because while you walk up to the adc to bear slap them, you are half hp. If you pick him, you want to have someone with proper engage (one of the games you had a Varus adc, that would be a good example.)

MF: No. Those builds are just plain wrong

As for your engage problem, to quote foxdrop (a famous youtuber) if you would have done a good engage IF your team followed, but they did not, you are in the wrong, not your team.

BluePolarizer12/30/2014, 9:02:35 AM1 votes

You can't counter this situation. It is essentially impossible to win if your team has zero teamwork and the opposing team has perfect teamwork, which is the situation you have described. Splitpushing is the only option here, and that depends on you getting fed as a jungle/top/mobile AD mid.

SmokingPuffin12/30/2014, 9:46:28 AM1 votes

Sounds like you're making an engage when your team isn't comfortable following up. If you're getting sieged 5v5, and you're behind in gold, the general rule is not to fight unless you have the tower to support you.

Also, if you're getting sieged, split pushing is usually a bad idea; you're team will get dived under tower and you'll trade your inhib for probably not even a tower.

I suspect you need to focus on how to not get into this situation in the first place -- a stable lategame advantage is typically thrown, not outplayed. As the behind team, you want to stall as long as possible and wait for the other team to give you an opportunity to make a play.