Katarina

Rewt··5 votes·625 views

Something needs to be done.... like seriously. I dont know what. but something. 90% of her damage comes from the passive (the daggers) and for immobile mages (ya know... most mages) they cant actually escape the daggers if she times her shunpo right. She is just too strong right now.

Honestly i just wish if she shunpod to a dagger it would make her land in the center of the dagger. or maybe just like.... remove the fucking AD scalings on her abilities.

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Cocho3 votes

You have 1.5 seconds to get out of the way. lol. That's plenty.

don't look my up I main Kat

Rewt1 votes

not actually. since the dagger is decided by our movement we have to flip or movement once the dagger lands, but when we try and escape that way you will use the other ability and make the dagger land on the side we tried to escape to. Immobile mages get raped by katarina and its not even a "oh i had a fun interactive match" its an "oh look. katarina. welp im gonna do literally nothing and be zoned off 40+ cs or else im going to die over and over again"

Cocho5 votes

"im gonna do literally nothing and be zoned off 40+ cs or else im going to die over and over again""

If you're not competent enough to dodge it or to never let it happen, then tell me what mage vs assassin lane that isn't true. You're just giving the worse case scenario.

If you don't dodge their skillshot, you're dead or taking alot of damage.

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The lane is often free if the kat knows what she's doing if her enemy laner is letting her E onto them (while they're an immobile mage. You can't just let her E behind you. That means you failed positioning correctly. There's 0 reason to ever get hit by the Q dagger landing on the floor, and 0 reason to let katarina E onto you.

Even then, sometimes it's just silly. People don't know how to build an advantage from short trades.

Picture this. You're OriannaAhri Annie

A Katarina just E'd onto you because you got in range.

She throws a dagger into the air, then Qs you, leaving a dagger behind you.

You have several options.

  1. Stand there and take the dagger.

  2. Walk back into the other dagger.

  3. Walk to the right where there's nothing.

Lets say you take 3.

Now Katarina has 1-2 seconds before she can shunpo away, after the 1.5 seconds when she catches a dagger. You just Q W E her while she's immobile for ~3 seconds. You have enough time to do the QWE real quick, then walk out of the way.

How. do you lose that. Trade.

I've literally never lost lane to a katarina. You just have to make mistakes that she capitalizes off of. Her roaming is pretty good, complain about that.

Level 1 shove the wave. Harass her.

Level 2, have a big wave. Harass her. Get her to the point that if you dodge her daggers, she'll have to flash if she engages because she's too low.

She backs eventually, buy a item 1057 Good job you've won lane. Keeping dodging those 1.5 second delayed daggers.

Çhåryzård2 votes

The thing about new Kat is that now she actually has a learning curve and you have to be good to generally do well.

Problem is, a good Kat has very little, to zero, counterplay.

shadowman098762 votes

Well you can also either burst faster than her, like Zed ,Talon ,Leblanc , or just cc her, Karma ,Annie ,Ryze ?

Çhåryzård1 votes

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Well you can also either burst faster than her, like Zed ,Talon ,Leblanc , or just cc her, Karma ,Annie ,Ryze ?

Only hard CC stops her ult, karma and ryze won't stop it. A snare just holds her in place it wont actually stop the ult duration last I checked.

You need something like a knockup, stun, or displacement to do it.

Catastrop1 votes

Karma can however RE and just walk away from the ult, taking little to no damage, so she's a valid pick. I don't know why people recommend Ryze against Kat though, he just dies horribly in a fire in this matchup.

LostFr0st1 votes

Walk to the side. The dagger will fall beside you. Then walk away from it. The opponent's movements actually decides where the dagger falls.

You can piss off the Kat player even with an immobile mage using that.

Handy Sandy 1 votes

I just think that her ult needs to be nerfed.

Ęsdeath1 votes

Her ultimate is already countered (massively) by magic resist items, in fact, inside her whole kit, her ultimate is the only one which gets massively affected by MR - Kinda have to disagree with your point of view.

RavenMagus1 votes

That makes absolutely zero sense.

Everything she does is magic damage, so everything is reduced by MR.

Rewt1 votes

The ult needs to be buffed. she needs to have a massive shift of her damage onto her ult. You can counter the ult, not the daggers tho

Ęsdeath1 votes

What do you expect? She is an assassin ... either way, build magic resist or study her. Just because you don't know how to counter her or to play against her, doesn't mean she is unbalanced (I don't even see the current PBE nerfs as necessary, to be honest).

You guys know she has a tremendous damage in early game compared to ALL MAGES, and you guys still hop on her and you only acknowledge her damage when you start dying ... that's too late. I have seen Viktors (mid game champions) jumping on katarinas right at level 3 ... guess what ... didn't last for long. You guys should really take a view and a study on champions before going around and requesting nerfs.

Rewt2 votes

I have a friend that mains her and he has around an 90% winrate in lane with her. I dont care how good you are with a champion, when you start to reach numbers like that it shows that something is busted. and katarina is that something.

Ęsdeath1 votes

That is no argument. If you go around argumentating with statistics, then I know why most of the people suck at countering her. I main her, I know her weaknesses, I always manage to control my lane against a Katarina ... if people don't know ... it is not the champion's fault from my perspective.

For instance, take annivia or annie against a Katarina - I am totally sure nobody in this room would dare to claim katarina is "boosted" in such matchup, because they counter her really hard. Now, having 90% winrate (which seems weird, unless he has decided to go around on a Co-op vs AI LOL) doesn't mean anything, either you want it or not.

But, I am totally sure you guys are willing to defend the following idea: "Everything we don't know how to play against needs to be nerfed" so be it, can't change that way of thinking. Have a good day. Can't persuade those who refuse to get persuaded :)

Catastrop1 votes

Her daggers aren't "90%" of her damage. Maybe late game they are, but in the early phases all her damage is coming from Shunpo, autos and Q's. All of which can be played around with good positioning so you deny her multiple resets.

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