Put Ultimate Hat back in Sorcery.

The whole sorcery tree is shit

It honestly makes more sense in Domination (given how even before the changes it worked pretty similarly to the hunter runes), and opens it up to more people.

Ultimate Hat was based on ult casts. Unfortunately, this means that they people who could stack it easily had no use for it (as their ults were already short enough CD), and the people who wanted it would basically never stack it (as it'd take ages for them to finish stacking it).

As Ultimate Hunter, it's opened up to the people with long ult CDs, because they can actually get it stacked before the game's over.

I loved Ultimate had but it was problematic in that it was just too easy to stack on some champs compared to others. New Ultimate Hunter is more consistent.

Ultimate Hunter works much better than Ultimate hat. Ultimate hat was a shitty concept, which made short CD ults even shorter, while long CD ults couldn't stack it until 30 minute.

Also domination runes outside of sudden impact, ingenious hunter (situational) and keystones are shit.

Yea literally nobody takes ultimate hunter lmao

The other 3 are just too damn good

But it should have the full bonus at once.

It is better in the sorcery tree. Although if champions like Zed or Talon really wanted it that badly they would just go into sorcery to take it.

I've heard multiple arguments about it being better for low CD ults... but any CDR will make a low CD ult lower. That's like saying Transcendence is really good for champions with lower CD because they get their ult back 5 seconds faster. If you have a champion with a really low timer on the ult then Ultimate Hat wasn't doing much for you.

Ultimate Hunter isn't necessarily doing that much for a champion with a long ult either. Unless there are a lot of kills happening early or the champion in question has a huge CD on their ult (like Shen) the difference it would make compared to the original rune probably evens out around the mid-game. Plus Ultimate Hunter favors champions who can get quick kills early in the game. If I'm a Talon and can all in level 2 for a first blood then I get a lower CD on my ult when I hit level 6, but if I have a hard time actually killing someone before I have my ult (say Veigar who should be a prime user of the rune) then Ultimate Hunter does nothing for me until I've already used the ultimate to kill something.

There are a also a lot of characters who don't use their ults for killing an enemy champion. I could have used my Shen/Galio ult to save someone, my Kayle shield to not die, my Cho'gath R to eat a dragon that was being contested and I didn't get kills for any of that.

To clarify Ultimate Hunter isn't so hard to stack, it's just inconsistent. I've heard arguments why Ultimate Hat was removed from sorcery tree, but honestly I think it had less to do with the champions that have low ultimate timers and more to do with where it was in the tree placement. By putting it in Domination next to 3 other powerful runes you have to make a strong choice as to which one to take. That choice matters a lot more. So, if they were going to re-add it to sorcery tree I would add it back in the same row as Transcendence. That way you couldn't take CDR on top of more ultimate cooldown reduction because the runes would be on the same tier preventing doubling up on the stat for your ult.

Give ult hat back to sorcery, and trade phase rush or the new and unimproved celerity for it.

I don't think it being in domination will matter when preseason changes happen and the base stats are no longer locked to specific tree

if anything ultimate hat is going to be a dead rune given you could alternatively run presence of mind which gives you a 10% on takedown in addition to mana gain.

If you make two takedowns while the ult is on cooldown, you will refund 20% of your ults cdr which is much bigger than the 15% at most that ultimate hunter can provide.

And since the old trade off was "you lose some direct ap/ad and gain worthless attackspeed" for dipping into presence of mind, which will no longer exist, presence of mind basically becomes the superior rune.

Because Domination gets all the good toys.

No one used it when it was in sorcery.

I'd love to see it get put back in Sorcery, but it would have to work differently. Simply stacking it for casting it makes it too consistent on low ult-CD champs, even going to the extent of Luxs, Karmas and Kassadins ulting in base to get that extra 2% CDR for later.

Ultimate hunter is the better design for the rune, I have to admit, but just because it fits the bill of a "hunter" rune doesn't mean it has to be in domination.

Overgrowth fits in with the legend runes from Precision, yet we don't see it put there because it clearly is meant for champs who take Resolve.

Creating a new Ultimate CDR rune would be great, but it would also mean having to get rid of or changing Ultimate Hunter (which I'm fine with) so we can put Ultimate Hat back in Sorcery (and let it be called Ultimate "Hat" again, dammit).

What I would suggest doing would be to move the effect of Nimbus cloak to Ultimate Hunter. It fits better thematically in Domination, granting an extra burst of movement speed (target access + burst damage) when you cast your ultimate. It could be changed to give varying amounts of movement speed based on hunter stacks, or it could even be moved to a different line in the Domination tree.

Meanwhile, Ultimate Hat could return to its rightful place in the top line of Sorcery runes, with a slightly changed effect. It could be something like "Your ultimate's cooldown is reduced by 1% per level" or "Your ultimate's cooldown is reduced by an additional 2.5% for each 5% CDR you have (max 15% cooldown reduction)" or even just a boring old "You ultimate has a 10% reduced cooldown"

Give control mages more CD on their ults. Or give shit like Rengar and kahzix more times to ult. Riot logic.

Ultimate Hat in sorcery: Assassin mains complain about this rune not being in Domination.

Ultimate Hunter in domination: Support mains complain about this rune not being in Sorcery.

For real I have to say that Ultimate Hat in the Sorcery rune tree is broken for support mains, I'm not a very competitive player in league but in just over 2 weeks of 3 ranked games a day I got G5 so easily by just one tricking Nami.

It's a long story to explain the set ups and builds but if any nami mains around here they can piece together how strong that rune is.

Works well for other enchanter support types to but Nami was the best for me.

Assassins are strong anyway but the domination tree is pretty weak. But keep in mind I don't always play assassin type champions that much.

Ultimate Hat should not be in the game. FULL STOP.

Why are we turning the game into URF? What happened to people actually having to wait in the window between ults? Ultimate Hat and Presence of Mind are terribly designed runes.

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Why the fuck would it be in Domination? It's already got enough fucking damage

I like the Hunter Runes period if only because they track kills and put their power on something of a teamplay contingent. The jungler farming jungle all game or only camping bot doesn't get what Ultimate Hat provided unless they join the team.

The sorcery tree, to me, is fine as is. I think Gathering Storm, the MS bonus, the CDR run at 10 mins, and scorch provide interesting options. If anything needs to change its that Comet and Arey are, for the most part, the same damn rune.

I think one of the problems with that was, that Zilean could to easily achieve an ult cooldown of like 25 seconds after just 25-30 minutes into the game with little to no effort.

Let me tell you I'm not sad, that that shit is gone. Though I got to say that the sorcery tree needs some more variety

Lulu with ultimate hat and +5% cdr had like a 44 second ult cd.