This is the first time I am not even CLOSE to excited for the new Star Guardians or saving up.

Ashryver Queen ·Aug 27, 2019·88 votes·21,048 views

It sucks. We waited two years for this and this is by very far my most favourite skin line. It's really sad, especially since these skins are so well-made in terms of avatars and animations, but so uninteresting and unfitting. If we wanted Dark Stars, we'd get Dark Stars. If we wanted Anti-Star Guardians, then make a new line. What we wanted were colourful Star Guardians and an invasion event. Just another case of Riot NOT LISTENING TO US.

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Zee ZoneAug 27, 201942 votes

They just feel uninspired.

As for "no new gamemode" you can thank TFT for that:

Game Modes and Events

"We've had fewer temporary modes available this year due to our focus on other work, TFT especially." - Meddler

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/hLGAeHTA-quick-gameplay-thoughts-august-23

DBS RonovonAug 27, 201916 votes

And TFT is trash imo.

we need URF back :(

Zee ZoneAug 27, 20198 votes

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And TFT is trash imo.

we need URF back :(

Wer're getting ArUrf back this year for a good period of time, same for Nexus Blitz (not sure for how long that one)

DBS RonovonAug 27, 20197 votes

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Wer're getting ArUrf back this year for a good period of time, same for Nexus Blitz (not sure for how long that one)

Well that sucks because I don't like AR URF. I hate Nexus.

Zee ZoneAug 27, 20197 votes

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Well that sucks because I don't like AR URF. I hate Nexus.

then you're unfortunately out of luck for this year. Sucks tbh since i enjoyed the pve way more as well (the challenge, rewards ad creativity all together is far superior than anything else produced by them).

DBS RonovonAug 27, 20194 votes

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then you're unfortunately out of luck for this year. Sucks tbh since i enjoyed the pve way more as well (the challenge, rewards ad creativity all together is far superior than anything else produced by them).

Yeah there is no issue with Riot releasing PVE modes for everyone to relax with their friends and have some casual fun, that was smart if you ask me. Riot has just gone down the drain as far as caring about if we the players have fun or not, which is why I can't stomach to play or pay for league anymore.

All I am asking if for URF to be back, and Riot can have my money.

ZaFishboneAug 27, 20194 votes

We're literally never getting regular urf back.

Zee ZoneAug 27, 20192 votes

Don't you know why? Riot confirmed that Urf leads to people leaving the game permanently whie ArUrf doesn't. Does it suck to not be able to choose who you want to play, sure. However i don't think Riot would risk their playerbase for the enjoyment of some. They will never release Urf, so ArUrf is the next best thing to that unless they do sth about it (which judging by how much "effort" they put into things lately i doubt it'll ever happen)

ZaFishboneAug 28, 20191 votes

I wonder if Rito performed that survey over a large enough period to get real results. Also, LoL is hemorrhaging players as is. And there is nothing stopping them from providing BOTH modes. Considering that people currently play ARAMs, i think there would be enough people willingly playing ARURF.

Zee ZoneAug 28, 20191 votes

No one knows, but i doubt they'd ditch a highly successful mode for no reason, however what they picture as successful depends on who you ask since their goals are highly likely to be financial rather satisfying a player base. TFT is a big example of that.

ZtokaAug 27, 20193 votes

ARURF is shit. Normal URF or nothing imo..

I'm glad they have spent a lot of time improving TFT.. You can tell what a job they have done as the bugs are now non existent from when the mode was released.. Oh wait, the game is still buggy af, but hey, let's release more champs instead of address the bugs..

Hexs FortuneAug 28, 20192 votes

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And TFT is trash imo.

we need URF back :(

Nexus Blitz

TrikzterzArmaAug 27, 20197 votes

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They just feel uninspired.

As for "no new gamemode" you can thank TFT for that:

Game Modes and Events

"We've had fewer temporary modes available this year due to our focus on other work, TFT especially." - Meddler

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/developer-corner/hLGAeHTA-quick-gameplay-thoughts-august-23

Yeah, it's such a fucking stupid response from them. they're a multiBILLIONAIRE company, they should be able to work on more than one mode at a time

Zee ZoneAug 27, 20199 votes

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Yeah, it's such a fucking stupid response from them. they're a multiBILLIONAIRE company, they should be able to work on more than one mode at a time

Agreed, however this is Riot we're talking about. You know, the company that made achievements purchasable and spent who knows how long on that instead of fixing real problems people are still suffering from like client bugs/ crashes, pregame crashes, TT that they didn't work on for 4 years only to blame the community...etc. The company that hopped onboard the hypetrain so far so that they gave an RNG based gamemode ranked while not justifing the same for ARAM despite the years long requests only because they couldn't cash on it as much (if it wasn't obvious, poro sidekicks require an icon and eventually do nothing but follow you compared to little legends that have an upgrade system and you directly control)

I can go on for days (mobility creep, damage creep, snowballing, matchmaking, unbalanced champion kits, no skins for "unpopular champs" for years on end, buggy watch along "rewards"... etc.) But we all know the drill at this point.

4 Step CadenceAug 27, 201931 votes

They did listen, though. They listened to the part of the community that wanted Anti-Star Guardians. They just went in a different direction with it than what we were expecting. These skins are still Anti-Star Guardians, after all, having had their gems damaged by Zoe, thus corrupting them like she is.

Zoe is corrupted, and she corrupted Ahri's old teammates to make her own team of corrupted Star Guardians.
Neeko(the yellow gem) apparently survived, and so did Rakan(the green gem) to some extent, but Xayah(the blue gem) didn't. That's what Rakan gives his life for Xayah's, giving her his green gem to make her whole again(and thus turning her green, like his gem), because that's the only way to save her.

I am running under the assumption that, in the lore, Ahri figures out a way to repair the gems or create new ones to save her old team, which is how Neeko comes back. However, perhaps Zoe damage's Xayah's again so she can't change back, which is why Rakan isn't actually using his gem, because he wants to use it to save her.

They could very easily fix this by renaming the skins, though, thus making them a new line/new theme.

Riot heard our pleas for something new and different for the Star Guardians, and they delivered, and I can't be mad at them for that. Am I sad that there are no normal SG skins? Sure, but they can't please everyone. Even if they released varients for these skins to make them true SG skins to make the people that wanted true SGs happy, the rest of the community would call it a cash grab and get mad at them over that. They don't release the varients, you guys are still mad. They scrap the skins entirely, basically everyone is mad. There's just no winning, because with this community, there is always something to complain about, and fixing it does nothing because it just opens up a whole new can of worms.

Modl Ryden lAug 27, 20195 votes

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They did listen, though. They listened to the part of the community that wanted Anti-Star Guardians. They just went in a different direction with it than what we were expecting. These skins are still Anti-Star Guardians, after all, having had their gems damaged by Zoe, thus corrupting them like she is.

Zoe is corrupted, and she corrupted Ahri's old teammates to make her own team of corrupted Star Guardians.

Neeko(the yellow gem) apparently survived, and so did Rakan(the green gem) to some extent, but Xayah(the blue gem) didn't. That's what Rakan gives his life for Xayah's, giving her his green gem to make her whole again(and thus turning her green, like his gem), because that's the only way to save her.

I am running under the assumption that, in the lore, Ahri figures out a way to repair the gems or create new ones to save her old team, which is how Neeko comes back. However, perhaps Zoe damage's Xayah's again so she can't change back, which is why Rakan isn't actually using his gem, because he wants to use it to save her.

They could very easily fix this by renaming the skins, though, thus making them a new line/new theme.

Riot heard our pleas for something new and different for the Star Guardians, and they delivered, and I can't be mad at them for that. Am I sad that there are no normal SG skins? Sure, but they can't please everyone. Even if they released varients for these skins to make them true SG skins to make the people that wanted true SGs happy, the rest of the community would call it a cash grab and get mad at them over that. They don't release the varients, you guys are still mad. They scrap the skins entirely, basically everyone is mad. There's just no winning, because with this community, there is always something to complain about, and fixing it does nothing because it just opens up a whole new can of worms.

I feel the same way with this years PROJECT: skins having been named PROTOTYPE: skins instead.

But I have to agree with the upset fans and OP here. Riot has set a precedence of mini games and RGMs for events like PROJECT: and SG and this year being different by NOT abiding by that pattern. Instead opting into mission passes and frequent updates to TFT have gotten a lot of PROJECT: and SG fans upset. Mainly because the RGMs, Trailers, and additions to lore were all they look forward to. Instead the fans get PRESTIGE SKINS, chromas, "reckoning" chromas (and what could be speculated as "pre-corruption and corruption SG chromas", border bundles (even though they're supposed to be part of the 1350 RP to begin with, circa 2015 when PROJECT: Overdrive started), and tokens tokens tokens.

ElipoAug 27, 20197 votes

Yay they heard 10% of the player base and disapointed 80% of us. [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

4 Step CadenceAug 27, 20192 votes

That's only 90%. I assume the other 10% are people that don't want SG skins at all.

And I've personally seen a pretty even mix of people asking for Anti-SG skins and normal SG skins here on the boards, and people who would be fine with both. And the boards are such a small part of the player base that what we want is but a whisper in comparison to the yelling of the entire League player base.

Raven Azarath 23Aug 28, 20191 votes

I agree that this does comply with the story, which is good. I think they did that well at least.

SEKAIAug 27, 201928 votes

They could've made anti-SG skins without them looking like Dark Star.

Not to mention, we only have 4 Star Guardians this time instead of the 5 last time.

And the choices are like "Let's throw in Zoe because she's popular, throwing in Neeko because she HAS to get a new skin given her release skin is going into legacy soon, and what else? Oh yeah, that's just fill 2 spots with Rakan and Xayah since they have to be together. Yep, so that's 4 skins. Good enough."

It's just an overall lack of polish and felt VERY rushed, I feel.

4 Step CadenceAug 27, 201913 votes

Why would we have 5?

Xayah, Rakan, and Neeko are Ahri's old teammates. There's 3 of them because Ahri and MF both survived. Zoe is likely from a different, long-dead team, driven mad by grief. She is the one that took Xayah, Rakan, and Neeko from Ahri, because she wanted her own team again. She probably would've gotten MF or Ahri too, but like I said, they got away.

SillaeAug 27, 20192 votes

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They could've made anti-SG skins without them looking like Dark Star.

Not to mention, we only have 4 Star Guardians this time instead of the 5 last time.

And the choices are like "Let's throw in Zoe because she's popular, throwing in Neeko because she HAS to get a new skin given her release skin is going into legacy soon, and what else? Oh yeah, that's just fill 2 spots with Rakan and Xayah since they have to be together. Yep, so that's 4 skins. Good enough."

It's just an overall lack of polish and felt VERY rushed, I feel.

Well, the fact that it's four is due to them being Ahri and MF's old team isn't it? (except for Neeko who is a regular Guardian I think?)

Not saying I'm happy about it, just that it was explained.

KoKobotoAug 27, 20191 votes

Zoe isn't that popular j/s

Raven Azarath 23Aug 28, 20193 votes

THANK YOU!!! This is exactly how I feel. The number of skins doesn't really bother me... but my god do I dislike the champs they decided to give skins to.

BeeeeAug 27, 201919 votes

This is pretty much exactly how I feel. These should be a separate skin line, I really hope they listen to us and make things right for at least one of the top skin lines (which has even been confirmed by Riot themselves)

ElipoAug 27, 201910 votes

Ikr. SG were loved because they were cute. We have too many edgy dark skins already. They have SG Syndra's pallete and I hardly see her in game: She and sg poppy keep appearing at high discountS in the shop, unlike other sg who apper with really low discount or dont appear with discounts never: most of us didnt like a dark SG nor that palette from before. And now they gave us 3 freaking purple dark SG. Seriously how disconnected from bussines strat/the player base must you be.

I bet people in chatge of these "SG" hated star guardian skin line so thats why they changed itso much bit since it was beloved skin line as it was... not smart, riot

FSRERAug 27, 20199 votes

If this is what they make for star guardian...I just hope they dont go murdering Pentakill or KDA

ElipoAug 27, 20193 votes

First vs then proyect and now SG they really are on a murdering spree

HěroAug 27, 20196 votes

The most dissapointing part is that they didn't even make SG Urgot...

ThilmerAug 27, 20196 votes

I loved the five original Star Guardians.

The second team was kind of lame for me, because I'm tired of seen Ahri and Miss Fortune in every group of skins.

About the new ones, I really like Neeko… but I don't like the other three, and I was personally hoping for Star Guardian Taliyah.

ElipoAug 27, 20195 votes

https://twitter.com/NeburaART/status/1166138058909061120?s=20

Chembaron YamadaAug 27, 20192 votes

If any champion should reference Mami Tomoe, then it is Caitlyn. Caitlyn

Cool piece of art, tho.

ModAcademy KaynAug 27, 20196 votes

I'm a fan of all of most of them personally, though muted mostly by Zoe. Not particularly interested in her in general though, not my cup of tea. And that's alright, I don't need to like all of them. It's clear that this year that they've been trying to tell more stories with their skin-lines, as seen with the Corrupted players with Battle Boss, the forsaken Project skins, and now the corrupted Star Guardian skins. It's probably why they waited a year before doing another addition to the skin lines, because they wanted to do something different.

And Riot not giving you what you want isn't Riot not listening to you. I'm pretty sure that's just entitledness. They wanted to do something different this year, and regardless of what you think, it's still Star Guardians. Just not up to your personal expectations, and that's all right.

ElipoAug 27, 20195 votes

More like not up to 80% of the people that used to buy SG skins' spectations. What is a bussiness even right?

ModAcademy KaynAug 28, 20192 votes

You got a source for that number, or are you just assuming 80% of people agree with you?

kaysheAug 28, 20196 votes

We are the players and we are the ones who buy. It's totally ok for Riot to do as they please, but it's their loss when they disappoint the player.

ModAcademy KaynAug 29, 20192 votes

Okay, but, I'm also a player, and I'm not disappointed. The problem, is when people like the above try to claim that they know that 80% of people agree with them, when by far, SG skins being disappointing has merited less SAS Board posts than both Battle Boss/Arcade and Project.

If you don't like them, fine, that's your choice. Riot isn't going to be able to please everyone. Just keep your response measured in the facts, or personal opinion. Not like Mr. "80% of people who buy SG skins no like".

Hell, the fact that they're not doing something that people who complain they are 'The majority', with the fact that Riot is a business, should technically be earning Riot some cred, since they're choosing artistic intent and a story, instead of just selling what sells.

RaileserAug 28, 20196 votes

Make a variant for non corrupted SG xayah and Rakan and take my money

MidchibAug 27, 20195 votes

Where the hell is my new ORNNNNNN Skin ?!? [sg-shisa]

Jennifer420Aug 27, 20195 votes

why is that? arent you happy about the new skins that clearly dropped in quality? about no gamemode? about another pass you need to buy to get some event tokens? uninspired boring missions that are basically kill x dragons, take x towers and farm x creeps?

IM SUPER HYPED BRUH!!!

Daddy ViktorAug 27, 20194 votes

WHERE IS OUR DESERVED STAR GUARDIAN Urgot SKIN AT???[darius-angry]

Raven Azarath 23Aug 28, 20192 votes

Honestly... I would take him over Zoe, Xayah, and Rakan!!!

SukishooAug 27, 20193 votes

and an invasion event

Riot already made it clear for quite some time that SG wasn't an event this year and there would be no game mode.

Yordle XayahAug 27, 20193 votes

Lucky you...

I actually play three of the champions this time and my wallet is on fire.

MalignisAug 27, 20193 votes

Just my opinion but I kinda like that they are expanding on the existing lore and backstory of the tragedy that kind of made Ahri who she is. And the skins honestly look amazing. If they make chromas for them as well then we can potentially get brightly coloured versions.

TheShadowTamerAug 28, 20193 votes

I agree. I really just wanted a normal SG Zoe skin. I don't really like/care about the corruption SG stuff. Its too similar to the dark star and cosmic skins. Really disappointed.

JustDonnyyAug 28, 20193 votes

Legit the only change they'd need to do is change the name of the skins from "Star Guardian" to "Anti-Star Guardian"

Kinky TaliyahAug 27, 20192 votes

I had a lot of problems with this set which I stated on another post, but I just realized something else that doesn't really, y'know, sit with me the right way. All of these skins are either a mess of purple or on their star guardian version they're either, Pink, Greenish and White or just Green and White, there's barely any variation and it bugs the living hell outta me.

Blaine StadiumAug 27, 20191 votes

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I'm a fan of all of most of them personally, though muted mostly by Zoe. Not particularly interested in her in general though, not my cup of tea. And that's alright, I don't need to like all of them. It's clear that this year that they've been trying to tell more stories with their skin-lines, as seen with the Corrupted players with Battle Boss, the forsaken Project skins, and now the corrupted Star Guardian skins. It's probably why they waited a year before doing another addition to the skin lines, because they wanted to do something different.

And Riot not giving you what you want isn't Riot not listening to you. I'm pretty sure that's just entitledness. They wanted to do something different this year, and regardless of what you think, it's still Star Guardians. Just not up to your personal expectations, and that's all right.

I think those examples aren't exactly the same. Battle Boss was already pre-existing as a coexisting skin line in the same universe. Forsaken Project I wouldn't even call different. In the project universe there are basically two sides those with Project corporation and those against. And both were pre-established before this year. The project skins also still fall in line with the characteristics of the skin line, the crisp mechanical feel in sound and animation.

The difference here is the star guardian line was about sparkles, colors and all that. These skins are a larger break than your other examples.

I think people would be more accepting if the corruption wasn't just all purple all the time, dark star already has enough purple blackness. And if they were named fallen or something. I'm hoping there is a variant or chroma that has the uncorrupted version still.

Raven Azarath 23Aug 28, 20193 votes

No to mention Zoe is already pretty "Cosmic" and Xayah and Rakan already have cosmic skins...