Seriously, it takes 10 levels if you're lucky to get a top-tier champion. It took me nearly a month to get Kai'Sa. This is ridiculous. Either increase the B.E of disenchanted champion shards or restore the system's earning process to what it was.
ModWulf Helhammer32 votesIt's always taken a long time to unlock a 6300 champ, both with IP and BE. This isn't anything new, and in fact on average you tend to earn more BE than you did IP unless you're playing somewhere around 6-7+ games a day (and even then the difference is minimal).
ez mental boom6 votesYes but riot wants to prey on that sweet sweet instant gratification for loot box purchases
ModWulf Helhammer10 votesI'm missing the connection here.
It still took a long time to unlock a champion before we had the Hextech loot system. That's how free-to-play games work. If you want to get everything for free, you will have to grind.
Naalith3 votesWell what he's saying is Riot implemented loot boxes as the free to play way to earn characters because loot boxes give highs and lows. Psychologically speaking, there's a tendency almost everyone has to get excited to open a box because it COULD give you exactly what you want. Conversely, not getting the champion you want puts you down mentally and that's when people are more likely to say screw it and skip the line.
With IP everyone knew it would take a while to get a character they wanted, but the grind was consistent. BE isn't consistent, can be high or low rolled, takes longer to get over time (every 25 levels), and overall is made to feel less rewarding because it's all luck. Worse, you can finally grind out a character then get a shard for them, making people more likely to just buy expensive characters next time.
This is all by design too. There's a reason loot boxes are in so many games now and it's because it psychologically manipulates people to buy more stuff. It's not even a question, that just is the case. It's no wonder new players aren't joining League, the couple friends I tried to get into it this year quickly got tired of the "loot box bullshit that's in every game" and quit. The game is already hard to learn and get people into due to the nature of its gameplay, and putting this system in up outside of the game people are trying to learn doesn't help.
nGio1 votesI'm missing the connection here.
It still took a long time to unlock a champion before we had the Hextech loot system. That's how free-to-play games work. If you want to get everything for free, you will have to grind.
To be fair, "everything" isn't free here. The overwhelming majority of the shop will never be obtained for free. Remember when OE returns were nerfed, and we were told "because you will be getting more skin shards"? Yeah, how's all that free been going? I'm not arguing that Riot shouldn't try to bleed the wallets, I'm actually good with that, but grinding this game won't get you everything, nor will it get you much of anything imo.
Nevrankroaton4 votesFor being an EUW who made a new account in NA to play with a friend, I can guarantee you that OP is kinda bullshitting because you get way more easily champion that cost 1350 or even more early on, so you can more easily grind BE for the 6300 purchase without feeling you miss any other champion. I was even surprised to see many champ I knew as 6300 being now in the lower tiers.
IP grind has ALWAYS been here, BE is just a system that allow you to maybe get a discount on some random champ to help but the grind is nothing worse than before. If anything, with the missions, it is even easier to grind...
Bμbble Butt5 votesFalse info. back when the first released the be system I did the math.
The farther you level once you hit those bench marks you will make less BE than you would IE, plus you forgot RNG, so honestly it just doesn't feel fullfilling and usually isn't worth it compared to IP. Now if you press me on this I can go do the math and send you a picture over this if you would like.
Awoof3 votesI mean, they also did changes to it since it was first released, iirc the minimum BE value of a capsule was increased slightly and the XP for later levels was evened out more. I could be wrong on that though.
Paroe3 votesIt's always taken a long time to unlock a 6300 champ, both with IP and BE. This isn't anything new, and in fact on average you tend to earn more BE than you did IP unless you're playing somewhere around 6-7+ games a day (and even then the difference is minimal).
Iirc reddit did the math on BE gains a long time ago.
On average, you actually gain less than IP post 30.
Pre 30, you gain a lot more than IP.
Since riot didnt do retroactive levelups (a greedy move on their part that punished the heck out of casual players) we see none of the benefits of BE with all of the negatives.
Also, riot needs to make a very clear choice about who their audience is. BE, the faster game times, loot boxes, grinding for the sake of grinding... These are all things that the Chino-korean crowd likes, not what the western crowd likes. Riot NEEDS to make a choice and inform their customers about whether or not league of legends is an EASTERN game for EASTERN audiences, or a WESTERN game for WESTERN audiences. Them trying to have it both ways and play both sides of the aisle is ruining the game.
ModAcademy Kayn1 votesIirc reddit did the math on BE gains a long time ago.
And then didn't Riot change BE afterwards? Or is this after Riot changed BE gains in higher up Levels?
Paroe1 votes[{quoted}](name=Academy Kayn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2r9WRNWb,comment-id=000300020000,timestamp=2018-11-14T23:17:38.625+0000)
And then didn't Riot change BE afterwards? Or is this after Riot changed BE gains in higher up Levels?
Iirc riot changed the orange essence, not the blue essence.
prometheum1 votesPre 30, you gain a lot more than IP. Since riot didnt do retroactive levelups (a greedy move on their part that punished the heck out of casual players) we see none of the benefits of BE with all of the negatives.
Ding ding. This is bullshit :(
Also, riot needs to make a very clear choice about who their audience is. BE, the faster game times, loot boxes, grinding for the sake of grinding... These are all things that the Chino-korean crowd likes, not what the western crowd likes.
Yeeeeeeeeep. Most of the West fucking hates loot boxes all together.
Slythion27 votesIve been waiting for months and months to get a champion shard for a champion I don't already own, to no avail
Awoof5 votesWouldn't you, by that logic, then have months worth of shards for champs that you either own or don't care for? Shouldn't that easily give enough BE?
FilDaFunk6 votesIt took me ages to farm up IP for all the 6300 ip champs, too.
Hexs Fortune5 votesToday's "top tier" champ may be tomorrows nerfed sob story.
Any champ can get you to at least gold and end of season rewards. Choose based on what you like rather than following the volatile meta.
is one of the starter champs, yet she's been my main for years and even got me to plat this season.
Summonah123694 votesFarming Orange Essence is just non existant at this point.
Νami4 votesI honestly don't think it's that bad.
This was my first ranked season of League (I'm pretty new to the game) and I'm sitting on 133k BE right now which is more than I can use.
I appreciate some people want to rush to unlock all the champs but then I don't think they really have a right to complain in that situation.
It's Orange Essence that I'm really struggling to get! :-(
MrGerund4 voteswe need those milestone rewards (every 25) to contain a guaranteed champ shard of which you don't own the champion yet (still giving the same value of BE total, also if you already own all champs)
Flemman2 votesMaybe they should use the Hextech Mystery Champion Permanent token they made during star guardian event. That way if you have all champ when reaching the milestone, you can still unlock the next new champ instead of having a shard on something you already have
MrGerund1 votesMaybe they should use the Hextech Mystery Champion Permanent token they made during star guardian event. That way if you have all champ when reaching the milestone, you can still unlock the next new champ instead of having a shard on something you already have
errr riot is still a company, i don't think they'd like you getting a new champ for free, especially from a perm shard. also, if you'd already have all champions and you want the new one, there is a big chance you already got some BE piling up to buy the new one.
so ye, remember that releasing new champs still grants riot a good amount of money from people who buy it using RP.
Flemman1 votesThat could also apply to your proposition tho. Poeple having all/most champ will not unlock champ with rp, the loss is already there champ frag or hextech token.
To avoid rewarding poeple for not playing (aka stop leveling before a champ release if close to milestone) giving mystery champ permanent token is way healtier and doesn't exclude a part of the playerbase
MrGerund1 votesThat could also apply to your proposition tho. Poeple having all/most champ will not unlock champ with rp, the loss is already there champ frag or hextech token.
To avoid rewarding poeple for not playing (aka stop leveling before a champ release if close to milestone) giving mystery champ permanent token is way healtier and doesn't exclude a part of the playerbase
Still, mystery champ perms induce a lot of RNG, either you get low value trash or high value stackedness, i know be is hard to get but riot is still a company.
Unowned champion shard is way to go imo, as the more you unlock, the more frustrating it gets to try to get the sweet discount.
Flemman1 votesmystery permanant champ token give you a champ you don't own tho so the rng is the same as unowned champion shard (if you have 1 champ left, you get that one)
riot being a company doesn't really matter here. If they want to make milestone more rewarding in term of "giving you a sure shot on a champ you still need to unlock", they need to make it in a way that don't alienate a part of the player base for reaching them at a bad timing.
Someone owning all existing champ shouldn't diminue the value of milestone for him just because "he can aford it". Make it fair or don't make it, that's all
AmWhaleIRL3 votesAnd here my friends and I are being like "Oh I leveled up, more blue essence. Just throw into the pile of 50k+" BE is so easy to get imo. I CONSISTENTLY make MORE than enough BE between champ releases to be able to purchase the new champ in BE every time and have some leftover yet.
Papuga1 votesAnd here my friends and I are being like "Oh I leveled up, more blue essence. Just throw into the pile of 50k+" BE is so easy to get imo. I CONSISTENTLY make MORE than enough BE between champ releases to be able to purchase the new champ in BE every time and have some leftover yet.
I believe that OP was referring to accounts that are missing Champs. Ofc, on accounts where the player has all the champs we are rolling in blue essence. Seeing a champion shard in a box makes me so sad. :(
AlienPrimate3 votesI have 90 unique champion shards with multiples of a lot of them and 103k BE. I seem to be farming it just fine.
Gilgayu1 votesI have 90 unique champion shards with multiples of a lot of them and 103k BE. I seem to be farming it just fine.
You got more than 90% of your BE from last season..
Am i right?
Kâtakuri3 votesLol I'm sitting on 200k BE. They need to add gifting BE.
hi ìm groot3 votesIt's almost like they want you to spend real money on champs r something...
Full Brain2 votesIt is a lot faster than IP if you are unlocking them as shard drops. People who start an account now are going to be able to accumulate a large amount of characters significantly faster than I was. A lot of the characters have lower prices now as well. The long wait for rewards and the going through many many levels where you don't get a shard for a character you want feels bad but those are just stimulus related issues with the system it is overall better with greater rewards than the previous one.
WøOxer1 votes[{quoted}](name=Full Brain,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2r9WRNWb,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2018-11-14T11:31:19.610+0000)
It is a lot faster than IP if you are unlocking them as shard drops. People who start an account now are going to be able to accumulate a large amount of characters significantly faster than I was. A lot of the characters have lower prices now as well. The long wait for rewards and the going through many many levels where you don't get a shard for a character you want feels bad but those are just stimulus related issues with the system it is overall better with greater rewards than the previous one.
Shard drops to unlock champion?
It's complete RnG, what if I already own the champion? Either you save that champ shard for mastery tokens or you disenchant.
This system is fking trash, IP was easier to grind than this level up bullshit.
crispy662 votesyou can buy the champs with rp if you don't feel like grinding
deltemp9515122 votesLeveling up now feels like farming a boss for hours only to get junk loot.
Sleep On Stream1 votesowning all champs is legit dumb anyway becuase climbing ranked u use about 10 15 and that still a lot u just need 20
XYGSYS15 votesSome people like to have a lot of champions to have fun in norms. The game isn't all about climbing ranks.
WrÆth1 votesOn the flip side, I keep getting champ shards in hextech chests I've spent weeks working for and its one of the most frustrating experiences ever.
FeelingOrnny1 votesOn the flip side, I keep getting champ shards in hextech chests I've spent weeks working for and its one of the most frustrating experiences ever.
Same bro even worse i only play aram (RIP RGM's 
)so they are difficult to get reliably.
Velasan1 votesCan't really comment on new champions since I had them before the system switched over to blue essence, however, it's worth nothing that a lot of really good champions are in the 450 level.
When I first started playing I made the mistake of saving for Aatrox. He was newish at the time, cool looking, so I saved for him. Fast forward I later got Warwick (who was one of the starter champions) and liked him more and been playing him ever since. Aatrox at the time cost like 5x as much.
The newer champions tend to cost more to give customers incentive into buying bundles. You don't have to by any means, but it takes longer to save.
FeelingOrnny1 votesCan't really comment on new champions since I had them before the system switched over to blue essence, however, it's worth nothing that a lot of really good champions are in the 450 level.
When I first started playing I made the mistake of saving for Aatrox. He was newish at the time, cool looking, so I saved for him. Fast forward I later got Warwick (who was one of the starter champions) and liked him more and been playing him ever since. Aatrox at the time cost like 5x as much.
The newer champions tend to cost more to give customers incentive into buying bundles. You don't have to by any means, but it takes longer to save.
True but when you have multiple skin shards for a champ you would probably its irritating that you have to wait who knows how long for a shard for that champ, or if your account was made for a specific role or champion.
Gilgayu1 votesCan't really comment on new champions since I had them before the system switched over to blue essence, however, it's worth nothing that a lot of really good champions are in the 450 level.
When I first started playing I made the mistake of saving for Aatrox. He was newish at the time, cool looking, so I saved for him. Fast forward I later got Warwick (who was one of the starter champions) and liked him more and been playing him ever since. Aatrox at the time cost like 5x as much.
The newer champions tend to cost more to give customers incentive into buying bundles. You don't have to by any means, but it takes longer to save.
(I know this is a old thread)
Cheaper champions tend to be easier to play, since a lot of beginners don't have all the BE in the world.
Personally I really like 
, but he is pretty expansive.
Easier champions doesn't mean they are weaker, it just means they are easier to pick up.
All the reworks kind of changed the pattern though, which is a bit unfortunate
Yami No Ignis1 votesim level 190 something, and yea i still dont have all champs
tea tìme1 votesHm... Within a week and a half I got 16000.
[zombie-nunu-bummed]
Monstermushmush1 votesI agree, but then we have to remember that we are getting a lot more champ shards than last season... I guess it makes up for itself. But I agree that it's less satisfying to farm.
Little Toga1 votesFor me I have no absolute problem with the blue essence system, as I for one have 20k Blue essence sitting on top of my account right after already spending around 20k I believe or more BE on Rune pages because I had nothing to spend it one I got 20k BE over the span of a couple weeks it isn't hard to farm BE you just need to level up. and I mean sure you may not get high tier champions to get BE but it don't matter if you own all the champions, if you don't then I could see why it can be a pain, because it does take a bit to level up and there's not certainty that you'll get a good champion to turn into BE to get the champion you want but it's pretty easy. as far as I can tell.[sg-poppy]
MEI 4 HONGKONG1 votesActually, I'd rather be able to Gift BE. I'm sitting on almost 300K BE with no intention of buying all the champions (building an all female champ crew guarded by elite Yordle assassins). If I could gift it, when I hit 1 Million...I'd give away 1/4 to Honorable team mates. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]
Angrychickén1 votesTen levels is seriously exaggerating.
Closer to five if you aren’t just trying to hard farm in a single night.
prometheum1 votesThe fact you can't even buy boosts with BE, which I think is a fair trade since BE is such a fucking bitch to get now, and you have to choose between getting new rune pages or champions. Really think you should be able to purchase boosts with BE, and then level up faster. Sure, they could argue that doing that would make it so you can get BE faster than they want, but you'd have to invest your poultry amount into the boosts so it wouldn't be that bad.
FUCKING GIVE US MORE BE, IT'S TAKEN ME LIKE 2+ WEEKS (PLAYING EVERY DAY) TO GO FROM 4K B.E. TO 13K WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT
DNFVixen1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ashryver Queen ,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2r9WRNWb,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-11-13T23:41:50.470+0000)
Seriously, it takes 10 levels if you're lucky to get a top-tier champion. It took me nearly a month to get Kai'Sa. This is ridiculous. Either increase the B.E of disenchanted champion shards or restore the system's earning process to what it was.
i agree fully
