So we get to play another patch with rengar in this balance state?

Suicide Meme·Jan 12, 2016·16 votes·1,120 views

Yay

24 Comments

CaptnJakSparrowJan 12, 20164 votes

Rengar DrMundo Jax Trundle item 3092

Another week of fun :B.

SaiannaJan 12, 20164 votes

Don't worry, Riot already nerfed those abominations: Swain Karthus

FeathermaneJan 12, 20164 votes

Ffs, there is NOTHING wrong with Rengar's balance. His interactions and kit are bad, his balance is fine. It's not easy to win with Rengar, it just sucks to play against him. Learn the difference. As long as he can spam Q, he's going to be able to kill a squishy, even with no base damage. So how do you nerf that? Do you want Riot to nerf his items or what? He needs a rework, not balancing.

Chaotic ReksJan 12, 20163 votes

being 2 shot while he has 2 damage items is not right

FeathermaneJan 12, 20162 votes

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being 2 shot while he has 2 damage items is not right

Really? Because there are a buttload of champions that do just that, most of them safer than Rengar.

JnFnRuJan 12, 20161 votes

Is that why Repertoire himself even said Rengar shouldn't be live in his current state cause his balance is fine?

FeathermaneJan 12, 20161 votes

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Is that why Repertoire himself even said Rengar shouldn't be live in his current state cause his balance is fine?

Rengar is the worst designed champion in the game. Balance-wise, he's fairly average. If you don't believe that, go get that 49% win rate freelo.

Sassmast3rJan 12, 20162 votes

Oh man, just use Taric . Rengar is so incredibly crappy versus Taric it's not even funny. Literally every single facet of Taric's kit counters Rengar. I know Taric isn't exactly the most exciting champion to use, but hot damn it's fun to see the jerks who use Rengar only because of his broken state weep from Taric's fabulosity.

BeatzBoyFTWJan 12, 20161 votes

So, Taric. Just because for the stun huh?

JarvanIV Rengar Leblanc Draven Blitzcrank

You sure you only want to stun just the Rengar.....?

SachabotJan 12, 20167 votes

If Taric's stun is your only hard CC, you have worse problems than the enemy's draft.

Sassmast3rJan 12, 20162 votes

I said every aspect of Taric's Kit, not his stun.

His heal works right after you've stunned the Rengar who's just jumped on your enemy ADC. Heal your ADC up and hope that they're smart enough to take advantage of the fact that you've an incredibly powerful armor aura that's even more atrocious to fight against when the bot lane snowballed. His ultimate is just even more auras, also very helpful. And while he's at it, why not just get the captain enchant so that if you're so confident that you can't survive the Rengar's jump, you've an escape route.

Now, that enemy team composition right there obviously would require more than Taric to deal with. The only additional responsibilities of Taric would be (and keep in mind I have not actually played a game close to or exactly like this, this is all quick assumption) to: purchase a Locket for both the shield and magic resist to survive LeBlancs burst, try to be both mobile and tanky and get "up in their face so to speak" (which includes preventing Blitzcrank from hooking your ADC to the best of your own abilities), and buying more armor than health (which is something Taric usually does regardless) to deal with Draven's incredible strength (and perhaps even Jarvan's, depends on their build).

Even more ideal would be to include a Banner of Command in your items and have that minion splitpush for you, forcing the enemy team to either: put all the pressure on Blitzcrank to engage, or to split up to deal with the lanes.

Hayaishi2Jan 12, 20161 votes

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I said every aspect of Taric's Kit, not his stun.

His heal works right after you've stunned the Rengar who's just jumped on your enemy ADC. Heal your ADC up and hope that they're smart enough to take advantage of the fact that you've an incredibly powerful armor aura that's even more atrocious to fight against when the bot lane snowballed. His ultimate is just even more auras, also very helpful. And while he's at it, why not just get the captain enchant so that if you're so confident that you can't survive the Rengar's jump, you've an escape route.

Now, that enemy team composition right there obviously would require more than Taric to deal with. The only additional responsibilities of Taric would be (and keep in mind I have not actually played a game close to or exactly like this, this is all quick assumption) to: purchase a Locket for both the shield and magic resist to survive LeBlancs burst, try to be both mobile and tanky and get "up in their face so to speak" (which includes preventing Blitzcrank from hooking your ADC to the best of your own abilities), and buying more armor than health (which is something Taric usually does regardless) to deal with Draven's incredible strength (and perhaps even Jarvan's, depends on their build).

Even more ideal would be to include a Banner of Command in your items and have that minion splitpush for you, forcing the enemy team to either: put all the pressure on Blitzcrank to engage, or to split up to deal with the lanes.

Rengar doesn't care if the ADC has an armor buff, armor without HP is nothing, Rengar will still one shot him.

Sassmast3rJan 12, 20162 votes

That's where I would suggest that the ADC were to not only play more safely, but (and I know this is very terrifying)... BUY A DEFENSIVE ITEM FOR THEMSELF!!!!!!!

But in all seriousness, play very safely, always have your one CC (assuming you have one) ready, expect your team to follow-up and ensure your safety, and if in the end you still end up dying, then get some defensive items.

SatansteinJan 12, 20161 votes

a fed taric could easily 2v1 any of the people you see there bare minimum.

NegusInParisJan 12, 20161 votes

It will be a 1 for 1 trade tho

DrehirthJan 12, 20162 votes

i thought everybody forgot about him on here and switched their hatred to Zed

KeevalroyJan 12, 20162 votes

Some of us can multitask.

Weasel KenseiJan 13, 20162 votes

He needs a rework.

I started playing Rengar a while back, around 5.19, off and on just to see what he was all about. Then a bit more to learn to counter him well. I learned that he has no direct counter, other than defensive teamwork... that can be countered by offensive teamwork, leaving us back to where he has no counter all things being equal.

What a lot of Rengar defenders fail to admit is that these new masteries were very good to him, and Thunderlords gave very usable burst to a champion that already did a lot of burst.

The AD itemizaton rework gave us some some very good build paths for our items, which also helped him a bit.

Lastly, most of the criticisms made by people could fit any assassin. "Oh if hes behind hes useless" or "He can be focused down if he fails to assassinate his target" blah blah. Substitute Talon, or Diana, hell Jax, VI, and Elise. They all suffer from being useless when behind, or being focused down when they all in combo and dont kill someone. Things that can happen to any assassin arnt problems or "weaknesses" in Rengar, theyre weaknesses in the role of being an assassin. Except Zed, he can poke and farm from a mile away cause Zed... but most assassins suffer this "uselessness" if behind, because if youre an assassin that cant assassinate then youre just taking up farm hoping to become useful.

Rengar guts people so quick its silly, simple fact. He has jg sustain, fast clears, crazy damage, decent CC, and pops people like water balloons.

He needs a rework.

ZLbSwAR23IJan 13, 20161 votes

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He needs a rework.

I started playing Rengar a while back, around 5.19, off and on just to see what he was all about. Then a bit more to learn to counter him well. I learned that he has no direct counter, other than defensive teamwork... that can be countered by offensive teamwork, leaving us back to where he has no counter all things being equal.

What a lot of Rengar defenders fail to admit is that these new masteries were very good to him, and Thunderlords gave very usable burst to a champion that already did a lot of burst.

The AD itemizaton rework gave us some some very good build paths for out items, which also helped him a bit.

Lastly, most of the criticisms made by people could fit any assassin. "Oh if hes behind hes useless" or "He can be focused down if he fails to assassinate his target" blah blah. Substitute Talon, or Diana, hell Jax, VI, and Elise. They all suffer from being useless when behind, or being focused down when they all in combo and dont kill someone. Things that can happen to any assassin arnt problems or "weaknesses" in Rengar, theyre weaknesses in the role of being an assassin. Except Zed, he can poke and farm from a mile away cause Zed... but most assassins suffer this "uselessness" if behind, because if youre an assassin that cant assassinate then youre just taking up farm hoping to become useful.

Rengar guts people so quick its silly, simple fact. He has jg sustain, fast clears, crazy damage, decent CC, and pops people like water balloons.

He needs a rework.

He does not need a rework, he needs a nerf. And a hard one, at that.

DefectivDetectivJan 12, 20161 votes

1000angrybeesJan 12, 20161 votes

At least we have some personal feedback from a couple of riot employees where they admit that Rengar is an embarrassment of a champ in his current state. I couldn't agree more.

JnFnRuJan 12, 20161 votes

Even more strange that theres nothing in this patch....

CanidaeJan 12, 20161 votes

At least they didn't buff him or something. Imagine if Rengar had actual teamfight besides his ult.... shudders

Solidair3Jan 12, 20161 votes

Yes, but penetration from Precision will be down, so that's good. He's probablu going to get nerfed the patch after if his performance continues this way though.