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Where is Irelia's window of weakness?

NA Darklarik··2 votes·1,013 views

Hello, first let me clarify this is not a rage or SHES OP! Thread, I have not played as or against her, im legitly simply curious for **_someone WHO HAS _**to explain something about her kit that i dont quite understand:

Riot has stated several times that they try to balance champs around "Windows of power", as well as moments to punish a champion or at least counter attack, and ive seen many champs they have balanced around this. Rengar was made to be less bursty, Azir range was lowered to allow for more counter attack so he couldent just bully endlessly, AurelionSol is weak if you close the gap get within his circle, Zed can be more heavily punished if he uses his ult unwisely, Illaoi is weak in areas she hasent set up tentacles yet, ecs ecs, i could keep giving more and more examples.

What i dont understand, is where Irelia's weak point is, could someone explain? So, after reading her kit, and based on the videos and gameplays ive seen of both her AD and frightening AP builds, im confused. If she marks you with her E, you remain marked for 6 seconds, from what ive seen and understand, she can then Q to you non stop for said 6 seconds correct? Or am i missing something here? Does the mark get consumed after 1 Q and only reset once? (not what i saw but maybe i just saw wrong idk).

If so, how do you fight her? (Given that she heals for like 20% of her AD regardless how much damage she deals to you). Like is her kit revolve around "Avoid her E or get fucked" ? Cuz while i may understand someone missing her E, her ult also marks and its quite hard to miss that.

  • So if you try to fight her, she either E or Rs you and can now spam Q and heal and outdamage+Heal almost any champ i can think off.

  • You cant run, she can spam her Q to chase you down if your marked, and her Ult slow makes it near impossible as well

  • On the off chance you try to counter attack or burst her down she has a massive damage reduction on her W

So personally i dont see what you can do if she marks you. You cant fight, you cant counter attack, you cant run. At least thats what it looks like on paper. Where is her window of weakness? How are you meant to fight her? I understand she should have moment of power but it feels as tho the power she gets from a Mark is too much.

Anyone care to explain?

5 Comments

Kaioko2 votes

Her marks work similarly to the way Diana's work. It is consumed as far as I've seen once she dashes to you unless she somehow resets it with another stun or her ult. The big difference though between her and DIana and is the free dashes on dying targets and the fact that her dashing doesn't consume all marks if you hit multiple people with the abilities that proc those marks.

Clarification (if needed) If you hit Diana's Q on several champs you can only dive on one and all the marks go away. If you hit Irelia's ult on multiple champs or the stun, you can dive and get a free reset on your Q for each of those champs.

NA Darklarik1 votes

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Her marks work similarly to the way Diana's work. It is consumed as far as I've seen once she dashes to you unless she somehow resets it with another stun or her ult. The big difference though between her and DIana and is the free dashes on dying targets and the fact that her dashing doesn't consume all marks if you hit multiple people with the abilities that proc those marks.

Clarification (if needed) If you hit Diana's Q on several champs you can only dive on one and all the marks go away. If you hit Irelia's ult on multiple champs or the stun, you can dive and get a free reset on your Q for each of those champs.

AHHHHHHH Thank god well this clears it up.

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I've played a fair amount of pbe wit and against her, both as ad and ap, and tbh with ap her burst is lack luster during laning phase and can be played around by most mages who will destroy her in lane. I even managed to beat her with my malz on several occasions (yes I'm a Malz main but she can q through my minions for free to close the gap so pre 6 it should be free). Ad she needs triforce to damage and steraks to get tank, unlike most top lanes who can get both with a black cleaver. In short she's wildly underpowered for what she's going up against, but at least as an ap gunblade user with electrocute she will at least have some chance. Top lane, give up now.

Really now? Im surprised, she certainly looks strong on paper. Also dont forget that if she does end up weak they might buff her and then suddenly she will become OP much like Swain and Ornn did shortly after release :/

Colton1471 votes

Irelia is melee.

Irelia is probably going to end up trash tier like Kaisa and Ornn at release. Her new meme will probably be "Better buff Irelia" instead of "Better nerf Irelia".

DW Diana1 votes

I've played a fair amount of pbe wit and against her, both as ad and ap, and tbh with ap her burst is lack luster during laning phase and can be played around by most mages who will destroy her in lane. I even managed to beat her with my malz on several occasions (yes I'm a Malz main but she can q through my minions for free to close the gap so pre 6 it should be free). Ad she needs triforce to damage and steraks to get tank, unlike most top lanes who can get both with a black cleaver. In short she's wildly underpowered for what she's going up against, but at least as an ap gunblade user with electrocute she will at least have some chance. Top lane, give up now.

C9 Squeeky 1 votes

Her Q only resets when killing something or when dashing to a marked champion, it is not infinite URF Qs for 6s. So dashing to a marked target resets Q only once until she has marked them again or killed with Q. Also, if she misses her E stun, that leaves her somewhat vulnerable. Her dash needs a target, it is not a direction-targeted dash so her mobility is a lot like Yasuo (minion waves). Her W gives DR but you can just wait that out (W is a PBAOE+ line aoe, don't be in melee range or she will get passive stacks).

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