Might be only me, but Garen and Shaco are overtuned now.

Steeds of Time·10/11/2019, 6:20:00 PM·5 votes·2,975 views

Let's get this straight. I am glad to see Shaco, even if I am not playing him, being a viable pick again. However the changes he received on his ult and even more on his e, are too much to deal with. Both AD and AP Shaco is busted right now and if he gets a small lead (which considering the coin flip this matchmaking is...), he is too powerful to stop.

Shaco mains have been asking for some attention on the champ and they got it, but on big damage parameters.

But Garen? Why did he get these changes? He was plenty oppressive if played well before this patch dropped, but now he got on the same brain dead level as Trynda. The only thing I am glad is gone is the Villain Mechanic, yet Riot put TRUE damage on his ult to compensate. I don't get why the balance team continues this true damage fetish when it breaks the gameplay on the already poor toplane that is horrible to play on.

Just too much damage these 2 received. For Shaco i might understand since he has been left in a weird spot until this patch; he needs some nerfs on e primarily and he might be fine. On Garen though... Things none asked for.

7 Comments

Daddy Ants10/11/2019, 9:57:04 PM6 votes

They are overtuned.

Meddler pretty much confirmed this in the Quick Gameplay Thoughts.

Jar Jar binks l10/11/2019, 8:02:36 PM4 votes

Garen oprresive? Dude lost all matchup on toplane , even champion like cho Shen maokai beated him 1v1. Hell even Diana beated him on 1v1

GTOtto10/11/2019, 10:10:39 PM3 votes

What's that, Rito overdid it on damage buffs? Don't worry, expect a hotfix next week where they shave off a couple points from their defensive stats.

Worst JG Wins10/11/2019, 11:35:15 PM2 votes

Garen and Shaco still suck.

Daddy Ants10/12/2019, 10:22:51 AM2 votes

Riot AzuBK said on Twitter that he wants to hit this no counterplay level 3 ganking bot at 2 mins strategy.

Daddy Ants10/12/2019, 10:21:27 AM1 votes

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AP Shaco is busted right now and if he gets a small lead (which considering the coin flip this matchmaking is...), he is too powerful to stop

I got feared by a Shaco box yesterday at level 7.

Shaco had item 1028 item 3145 item 3047 as items and i took over 500 damage from his box while feared.

This was a 0/1 Shaco who got first blooded by our Zed.

AmWhaleIRL10/12/2019, 12:11:03 AM1 votes

Meddler already confirmed they're overperforming and look to be in need of nerfs for next patch.