New Ideas for AP Bruiser Items

Frosted Tips·Jan 31, 2019·8 votes·4,548 views

Deathfire Grasp (Melee Only)(Rework)

50 AP 500 HP 20% CDR

Active: deal 10% of the targets max health over the next 5 seconds and shred 10-30% of their magic resistance over the next 5 seconds capping at 3 seconds.

Fiendish Codex + Kindlegen + Ruby Crystal + 700 gold = 3000 gold

1087.5+1300+532=2919.5 Stat Value

Gunther's Untattered Cloak (Melee Only)

50 AP 350 HP 40 Armor

Passive: After receiving damage before mitigation of 60% of your maximum health activate _______ gaining 20% tenacity, 20% haste, and 20% healing from abilities (reduced to 1/3 healing for AoE) and is active until out of combat for 3 seconds.

Blasting Wand + Ruby Crystal + Ruby Crystal + Cloth Armor + 850 gold = 2800 gold

1087.5+910+800=2797.5 Stat Value

I tried my best to make the items not broken on assassins, but the may still abuse them. What do you think?

11 Comments

KaìjuJan 31, 20197 votes

The issue with AP Bruiser items is what stops Fizz and Ekko from taking them and just going into similar old tank builds? Let's take your items for just a second. Hourglass gives, what, 50 armor? Add on GUC and Fizz now has 90 armor and 130 AP. Get Morellos and Pen boots, and a Banshees and Deathcap and suddenly you hurt like crazy but you also are fairly tanky for an assassin. Similar deal with Ekko.

Relius D OrnezJan 31, 20193 votes

It probably wouldn't be too big of an issue in the long run if they get some adjustments to Fizz and Ekko when the items came out, similar to what they did for bruiser items. Also Fizz wouldn't be NEARLY as oppressive if when he goes on his pole he just wasn't targetable but could take damage a la Kayn Ult.

RagnaveilJan 31, 20191 votes

Its possibly simple, you nerf base stats so they are forced to stay linear with their assassin gameplay. Pretty sure both Fizz and Ekko had decent base damages and AP ratios when the tank builds existed.

Relius D OrnezJan 31, 20191 votes

I like both of these, wonder if the MR shred on item 3128 should be moved from the active and turned into a passive. Giving us an AP version of item 3071

Frosted TipsJan 31, 20193 votes

The reason I think that if it was a passive it would cause a lot of problems because of Assassins. If you are forced to use an active then it cuts down on assassins ability to abuse the item because they can not just use a ranged ability and stay far away until the passive stacks up and then go in or build tankier and be able to shred everyone's MR. This also allows for the item to be it's own unique thing.

Relius D OrnezJan 31, 20191 votes

Since it's melee only that already kinda kinda hurts the chances of assassins abusing it, the 2 I already know everyone will use to blow up this point would be Fizz and Ekko but because Fizz has no ranged harass other than ult and Ekko has his q then is in smacking range they would be in a pretty bad spot in terms of positioning. Diana is probably the one I would be worried about the most if anything.

Frosted TipsJan 31, 20191 votes

Diana is meant to be a fighter so she should want to use these items. So I would imagine she would be balanced around building these items.

TeCoolMageJan 31, 20191 votes

Most ranged battlemages like swain, anivia, Lissandra, Aurelion sol, Vladimir, Viktor and Fiddlesticks (basically champions that build RoA or have sustain) would prefer to be bruisers or have an alternate bruiser path so it’s unfair considering outright glass cannon assassins Fizz, akali, Evelynn, Elise and Ekko would be complete BS with these items

Frosted TipsJan 31, 20191 votes

Ranged battle mages already have good items. They use RoA and can build the tankier mage items and can be extremely successful and should not get benefit from items they would severely abuse. Assassins still like full AP and these items are low on that. Also they are better for extended trades.

RagnaveilJan 31, 20191 votes

I feel like they could have done more with AP items. Leaving a certain set for general mages, and leaving a set for ap bruisers, and the rest are items that both classes can share. Right now the items heavily lean towards general mages.