Please help against Heimer.

RayhaNPrincE·Sep 27, 2019·11 votes·8,130 views

I feel so tilted when playing against Heimerdinger. Specially when i'm meele or in bot lane.He seems to have non stop abilities and the turrets never seem to run out. I myself think That heimer is a very op pick in the hand of a good herimer player. I was watching Hjarnan winning every competetive game with Heimer last year. I dont say he is broken, but do say that dont know how to smash that yordle dogshit ruuning around like a fly, that moron of Bandle city, the abomination of bootleg Einstein. sry..i'm still tilted. Help me.

18 Comments

R0ses R RedSep 27, 20198 votes

I've always been of the belief that Heimerdinger is literally the most unhealthy champion in the game. He's like the Rengar of mages. You ask yourself if you have the prerequisites to beat him, and, assuming you don't, you just try to avoid confrontations with him as much as possible. This is because their damage is both high and extremely reliable, thus there's little counterplay beyond playing outside of their threat range. In Rengar's case, the prerequisite for beating him is to survive his burst then outstat him. For Heimerdinger, you must have the ability to remove his turrets without losing half of your health bar. Luckily, reaching that goal is doable with time.

To achieve that goal, you'll first need gold to purchase MR/HP. You should let Heimerdinger push the wave to you, then farm under tur. Don't bother trying to contest him if you don't think he'll die to an all-in; It'll just result in you eating damage and being guaranteed to die if you try to all in him again. You use that gold to buy an Adaptive Helm or Spirit Visage. Assuming he hasn't taken a large amount of plates or FAR more CS than you, you can then proceed to run him down with something like a Nasus. Step 1 to that is removing his turs, you'll know he's out when he starts to sit on 2 or 1 turs for extended periods of times. That is your time to strike. I have no advice for ADCs, though they should be capable of taking his turrets down at any stage in the game.

KiwiFlavor ZiggsSep 27, 20194 votes

Have you... ever played against him...? His turrets are easily killed by any ranged. His other abilities are easily telegraphed and skillshots. Multiple items can be bought to utterly gut him. Every champion that forces a QSS (malz, skarner, etc.) is more toxic than that. There are also many champions better for 1v2ing - like Illaoi for Nasus.

In fact, for the OP's sake - he's only really that good in lane phase. Surprisingly, he's not all the great at taking turrets. He's decent but he's no split push god - you can either ignore him and win your team the fight or collapse on him at any time in the mid game.

Go a even more toxic top laner, like Yorick or Illaoi. Tryndamere and Nasus are also good (any any ranged champion). They all have sustain and similiar lanning with dominant end game, beating heimer at pretty much every stage of your game. If you're mid, go basically any champion but Syndra for the luls and take his turrets.

The only way you lose to a heimer if he really is a one trick pony with him, you might have to try then - or if your jungler does not understand him and causes you both to die in lane early due to a bad gank (this is typical how he wins most games)

Minimac2000Sep 27, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kiwi Konova,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5qjmR6Vk,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-09-27T13:55:25.299+0000)

Have you... ever played against him...? His turrets are easily killed by any ranged. His other abilities are easily telegraphed and skillshots. Multiple items can be bought to utterly gut him. Every champion that forces a QSS (malz, skarner, etc.) is more toxic than that. There are also many champions better for 1v2ing - like Illaoi for Nasus.

In fact, for the OP's sake - he's only really that good in lane phase. Surprisingly, he's not all the great at taking turrets. He's decent but he's no split push god - you can either ignore him and win your team the fight or collapse on him at any time in the mid game.

Go a even more toxic top laner, like Yorick or Illaoi. Tryndamere and Nasus are also good (any any ranged champion). They all have sustain and similiar lanning with dominant end game, beating heimer at pretty much every stage of your game. If you're mid, go basically any champion but Syndra for the luls and take his turrets.

The only way you lose to a heimer if he really is a one trick pony with him, you might have to try then - or if your jungler does not understand him and causes you both to die in lane early due to a bad gank (this is typical how he wins most games)

Very much agree with this. Literally just kill his turrets and he isn't even capable of surviving

BavalSep 28, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Kiwi Konova,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5qjmR6Vk,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-09-27T13:55:25.299+0000)

Have you... ever played against him...? His turrets are easily killed by any ranged. His other abilities are easily telegraphed and skillshots. Multiple items can be bought to utterly gut him. Every champion that forces a QSS (malz, skarner, etc.) is more toxic than that. There are also many champions better for 1v2ing - like Illaoi for Nasus.

In fact, for the OP's sake - he's only really that good in lane phase. Surprisingly, he's not all the great at taking turrets. He's decent but he's no split push god - you can either ignore him and win your team the fight or collapse on him at any time in the mid game.

Go a even more toxic top laner, like Yorick or Illaoi. Tryndamere and Nasus are also good (any any ranged champion). They all have sustain and similiar lanning with dominant end game, beating heimer at pretty much every stage of your game. If you're mid, go basically any champion but Syndra for the luls and take his turrets.

The only way you lose to a heimer if he really is a one trick pony with him, you might have to try then - or if your jungler does not understand him and causes you both to die in lane early due to a bad gank (this is typical how he wins most games)

this dude knows whats up

preternaturalSep 27, 20193 votes

I love it when a champion is called an "abomination." makes me all fuzzy inside.

how to deal with heimer? dunno play irelia so you can q his turrets away lol. if whatever you're playing can't kill his turrets before he places new ones then just sit back and hope your jungler has a brain.

OP Garen SupportSep 27, 20192 votes

Lul. Heimer has been dogshit since his nerfs.

EternalDominateSep 28, 20191 votes

He just got buffs to all his abilities.

FegoneSep 27, 20192 votes

If you're picking after Heimer, pick Syndra, and throw his turrets back at him.

Sinister AnubisSep 27, 20192 votes

Play Syndra she can litterly pick up his turrets and move them. Biggest troll move to a hiemer ever! lol.

BavalSep 28, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ninja Anubis,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5qjmR6Vk,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2019-09-27T18:18:56.185+0000)

Play she can litterly pick up his turrets and move them. Biggest troll move to a hiemer ever! lol.

not this.

everyone thinks syndra counters heimer, but vs syndra any good heimer just goes missiles and outpokes her by a mile. Oh you have my rank 1 turret? cute.

Sinister AnubisSep 28, 20191 votes

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not this.

everyone thinks syndra counters heimer, but vs syndra any good heimer just goes missiles and outpokes her by a mile. Oh you have my rank 1 turret? cute.

Stand behind minions missiles no prob

ARandomRedneckSep 27, 20191 votes

Ban him.

Problem solved.

RayhaNPrincESep 27, 20192 votes

ok then implement ban system for normal games

OHminusSep 27, 20191 votes

n o r m a l d r a f t

You're in NA there's no reason you don't have access to draft mode

Minimac2000Sep 27, 20192 votes

{quoted}

ok then implement ban system for normal games

Play draft pick dood. Bans are implemented

BavalSep 27, 20191 votes

build an adaptive helm. hes literally out of the game for you.

if you dont want to build a tank item, build a maw of malmortius and demolish all his turrets for free and dive him. He gets a turret once every 20 seconds, you should be able to keep them down.

PhearBunnySep 27, 20191 votes

as someone who 1tricks Nocturne top, Heimer is something i have very little issue with. I line my Q to poke him+hit one of his turrets, then i run in and proc umbrablades for CS and to finish off the turret i poked. He never really gets to fortify the lane, and he cant really kill me because i can just spell shield the grenade, and eventually run him down once he pushes deep enough.

But i cant really speak for other champions.