Yeah.. I was 16/4 as annie and then i went from that to 18/14 , the enemy zed and lux didn't even kill me ONCE, it was 3 tanks vs me, it was literally just lee sin, volibear and maokai literally one shotting me the entire god damn game and I don't even mean together, I mean literally INDIVIDUALLY. HOW IS THIS FAIR RIOT? WHY EVEN KEEP SQUISHY CHAMPIONS IN THIS GAME WHEN TANKS ARE GONNA DOMINATE ANYWAYS?
SCREW YOU RIOT, JUST SCREW YOU
Starcraft243ver6 votesBecause mages like annie are not meant to counter tanks.
An adc would have melted these tanks.
And you would have bursted this ADC in .1s.
And this ADC would post there saying "omg burst mages are totaly dominating this game, i just can't play, I get one shot by every burst mage I meet".
Different champions, differents roles.
Elven Moon1 votesLel i would never be mad if another squishy rekt me. Squishies are MEANT to do damage, tanks are not, you guys are missing the god damn point, jesus christ
Starcraft243ver1 votesSeeing how popular this game is despite spiting on your certainties, i suggest you change your mind.
Elven Moon1 votesAhaha and what happens to my adc btw? My adc got melted by lee sin and volibear while not being able to do shit. And lets not talk about maokai, that tree presses W on a squishy and the health bar of th adc vanishes.
Iota Theta2 votes[{quoted}](name=Elven Moon,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5qZZvAzE,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2017-05-29T20:43:14.132+0000)
Ahaha and what happens to my adc btw? My adc got melted by lee sin and volibear while not being able to do shit. And lets not talk about maokai, that tree presses W on a squishy and the health bar of th adc vanishes.
I'm sorry, I couldn't resist. I don't even think full AP Maokai can do that
Starcraft243ver1 votesBecause noone peeled for him, or maybe he's straight up bad.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo6 voteslol tanks dont rule the game. as a burst mage you are designed to blow up a squishy target... you as annie usually get tanky enough that a zed or lux unless ahead and fed cant 1 shot you . tanks are meant to survive burst and die to dps sustain damage
did you have magic pen? 
as your items in the game ?
Elven Moon1 votesLmao, i built all that but it was the 3 tanks who came in, did all the damage and left, while zed and lux sat back to just wait and clean house. Ofc my team didn't do shit as usual, thats not the problem, my problem is maokai assasinating me literally, lee sin kills me with a single combo, and volibear just presses R and my healthbar just disappears. Thats why i was complaining.
oSEXYPLATYPUSo4 voteswell you dont have all that ...
your build was 
i would of and suggest vs any tanks
and i get why you had for zed
but ludens and swiftees dont do anything vs tanks also just so you are aware maokai is plat and so was volibear
but they stacked so much hp you really should of had to reduce their healing and to help to kill them when low hp
also the masteries you run for annie has no penetration you dont take precision while going 18 into cunning. and that would of helped alot... even if you went 18 into ferocity you get 7% magic pen and dot with deathfire touch
YokoNomi5 votesI honestly can't recall the last time I felt like an anti-tank as an Annie, even during games where I've snowballed and built heavy burn and pen.
Elven Moon1 votesNot if your team is entirely useless every single game and then 3 tanks in enemy team just get late game and u have obviously no peel from your team so its literally impossible. Even under your god damn turrets. Might as well stay at fountain
Ralanr3 votesThis sounds like the fault of your team more than the enemy.
YokoNomi6 votes[{quoted}](name=Elven Moon,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5qZZvAzE,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2017-05-29T20:40:21.754+0000)
Not if your team is entirely useless every single game and then 3 tanks in enemy team just get late game and u have obviously no peel from your team so its literally impossible. Even under your god damn turrets. Might as well stay at fountain
Look, I'm already worn out from reading a lot of negative behavior from last saturday up until a moment ago, from players with a similar or worse mindset. Can you tone your rude inclination down just a tad bit, or is that impossible for you?
Elven Moon1 votesHmm, it is possible, but the response i got made me even angerier than i already was cuz of losing over 38 games on over 4 different accounts cuz of tanks literally making my health bar disappear, giving me 0 room for counterplay, and i have played over 7000+ games in league and never been so disappointed in it.
And the lack of knowledge so many players on this board possess baffles me. Nobody can understands the SIMPLE fact that tanks are ONE SHOTTING a squishy with a rylai's scepter and liandry's tourment, i already have more than 2.5k HP and STILL 0 counter to a tank.
Maybe if you want me to understand you, you can understand me too a little bit?
YokoNomi5 votes[{quoted}](name=Elven Moon,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5qZZvAzE,comment-id=0000000000010000,timestamp=2017-05-29T21:01:55.345+0000)
Hmm, it is possible, but the response i got made me even angerier than i already was cuz of losing over 38 games cuz of tanks literally making my health bar disappear, giving me 0 room for counterplay, and i have played over 7000+ games in league and never been so disappointed in it. And the lack of knowledge so many players on this board possess baffles me. Nobody can understand the fact that tanks are ONE SHOTTING a squishy with a rylai's scepter and liandry's tournement, i already have more than 2.5k HP and STILL 0 counter to a tank.
Maybe if you want me to understand you, you can understand me too a little bit?
The only jest I need to get from this is that you've had it rough with past games. But I've no reason to accept your behavior because of it. I've had issues too, and have lost a lot of games either due to my own skill, the skills of other players, or a great deal of toxic players/trolls that seem to think it's the funniest thing to waste 20-30+ min of someone's time and their own, surmising an event that evidently leads to jack for everyone involved on the team.
I can promise you though that there are more than one kinds of builds for a nuker, and plenty of potential builds that make Annie unnecessarily beefy for her character type. Hell, there was a time where I'd been ballsy enough to get a warmogs as my final item for the little she-devil, and it worked. The moment you succumb to anger and frustration, you voluntarily blind yourself from thinking logically in terms of what could be done, what should be done, and what you may be able to work on along the way.
Ralanr3 votesVolibear and Lee aren't even tanks.
YokoNomi2 votesVolibear and Lee aren't even tanks.
Them building tank can be enough to be considered a problem for Annie, even if it's not as big of a problem as true tank champions. Rough terrain isn't exactly better than brick wall.
Ralanr3 votesWell Annie is a burst mage so she pretty much got countered.
YokoNomi1 votesWell Annie is a burst mage so she pretty much got countered.
Well I mean, it's technically still possible to fight them if they aren't heavy closer tanks. Usually the cd of yours are fairly low late-game. Just involves a lot of kiting.
Ralanr3 votesPossible? Sure, I'd argue about as possible as Sion fighting Vayne. Problem is that it's very difficult and you're not likely to succeed alone.
Elven Moon1 votesYeah but tanks now days have unkitable movement speed for some god damn reason, while annie gets no mobility at all unless u get a luden's echo
EndlessSorcerer3 votesLee Sin and Volibear aren't tanks.
Elven Moon1 votesSince when is volibear not a tank? Are you for real?
EndlessSorcerer2 votesElven Moon1 votes"low mobility"= volibear? Yeah, have fun with your bookish knowldge and 0 practical knowledge newbie.
EndlessSorcerer2 votesI have been playing the game since late Season 2.
If you consider that "new', I wish you luck finding someone who played before the beta.
Iota Theta4 votes[{quoted}](name=Elven Moon,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5qZZvAzE,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-29T20:49:21.867+0000)
"low mobility"= volibear? Yeah, have fun with your bookish knowldge and 0 practical knowledge newbie.
His only "mobility" is his run on all 4s speed boost (I am blanking on the name). It doesn't go through terrain or allow for sudden repositioning. It's like Garen's speed boost on Q. It can be considered mobility since it speeds him up, but it's very limited mobility
Revali3 votesTanks are supposed to be good against burst mages
Elven Moon1 votesAnd tanks LITERALLY assasinating you is fair. How?
EcchiOtakuTM3 votesSigh, First mistake not helping your adc survive to kill the tank and being alone too much.
Two, volibear and lee are bruisers not a tank. Volibear is more juggernaut and lee sin diver. Build does not factor in role naming.
Three version A, you have 4 other teammates, once you kill the adc/mid you should be working with your team for your adc to get through the lee then voli. Going by what you say you're not working with your team. Yes solo queue can be nightmarish, but if you can't nicely work with your team ofc you aren't going to get the win
Three version B, why are you doing a 1v1 vs a tank? You should be telling your team you'll kill either the adc or mid then they can focus on peeling the rest of their team off of you and the adc since 2 damage dealers is better than their 1 damage dealer.
Overall it just sounds like you played the game without caring for your teammates and translating your advantage to the rest of your team. Even if you were badly matched with others, if you worked up a strategy for them to follow you could win. Also I highly doubt you could die in one-shot with proper positioning and itemization.
Kills don't matter if you can't play the later parts of a game right.
Elven Moon2 votesSadly, im not fortunate enough to have a team always that actually wanna work towards a win, they just don't care/don't listen, if i do get good teammates, believe me, i love and i mean LOVE working together with my team. Also, why CAN'T I 1v1 a tank when im literally carrying my team super hard? Oh wait, that 4/11 maokai can 100-0 me in 1 second. xD
EcchiOtakuTM2 votesShouldn't be undermining an enemy just because you're strong. It's better to respect them, focus your core target, then just go for objectives/peel the others off your team for them to deal with. It's just a waste of time to use a non-dps champion to kill a tank even in a 1v1 there are better advantages to gain throughout the map.
fuffychan2 votesYoure going to get downvoted for the truth.
Whats the point of playing anything other then tanks really?
nGio1 votes2017 Tank meta
Aaah i see now, you guys are all new players, max player i saw here was a guy who started in season 5 no WONDER i got such an ignorant response from everyone. God i hate this community so god damn much
EndlessSorcerer3 votesI've been playing since the end of Season 2.
While I didn't bother playing ranked until Season 5, I've been playing just as long as you have.
Elven Moon1 votesU mainly play tanks as i can see by your stats. So how is this a fair arguement when you don't want your precious tanks to be nerfed?
You are so specific that you went ahead and said that volibear is a juggernaut. So whats the difference between a juggernaut and a tank? Not much. Its like comparing a moba game to another moba game. Same objective. Different approach.
EndlessSorcerer3 votesFirstly, I have played primarily fighters (i.e. Nasus, Udyr, Renekton, Irelia, Volibear) in the previous seasons (as even a cursory inspection would show).
Secondly, you've devolved to personal attacks (against everyone) rather than an actual argument.
Clearly, you have nothing more to offer and are conceding the debate.
Elven Moon1 votesAnd how have you conceded a valid debate? All you did was give techincal terms to a champion that has a similar role but are named differently apperently on paper. Nasus maybe classified as a "fighter" but he is still playing the same role as a TANK.
How have I made "personal" attacks? I am talking about your VIDEO GAME statistics, not your family. How can you even make a comparison? Oh i know, just like you made a comparision to fighters/tanks/juggernauts.
Not one of you guys justified anything about a tank literally deleting a squishy in 0.5-1 second, with absolute 0 counter.
Quit trying to act so smart.
YokoNomi2 votes[{quoted}](name=Elven Moon,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5qZZvAzE,comment-id=00060000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-29T21:06:19.330+0000)
And how have you conceded a valid debate? All you did was give techincal terms to a champion that has a similar role but are named differently apperently on paper. Nasus maybe classified as a "fighter" but he is still playing the same role as a TANK.
How have I made "personal" attacks? I am talking about your VIDEO GAME statistics, not your family. How can you even make a comparison? Oh i know, just like you made a comparision to fighters/tanks/juggernauts.
Not one of you guys justified anything about a tank literally deleting a squishy in 0.5-1 second, with absolute 0 counter.
Quit trying to act so smart.
Over exaggeration aside, the point is that Tanks are designed to counter nukers, and in some cases with off-tank bruisers, depending on the champion, can do the same. As frustrating as it is, it's just how it is. It's why I don't play Annie anywhere as often as I use to, because I seem to see more and more tankier players, despite my current elo. We're entering a partial tank meta right now, and we should be wary with what we pick to deal with the new "threat" as players that favor damage primary champions over tanky champions.
Elven Moon1 votesSo the basic quote was, don't play annie, play a meta champ, also avoid playing squishy roles such as adc. Okay. Also sorry for being rude to you earlier.
YokoNomi1 votes[{quoted}](name=Elven Moon,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5qZZvAzE,comment-id=0006000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-29T21:43:54.323+0000)
So the basic quote was, don't play annie, play a meta champ, also avoid playing squishy roles such as adc. Okay. Also sorry for being rude to you earlier.
Nah, far from it. I'm merely arguing the point of why tanks are a problem. Annie is a fun champion to play, and very strong, but she is becoming more and more situational with each update as of late, and less of an ace in the hole. Play her if you're having fun, but you need to be ready to face these problems if you intend to play her against her counters. I actually intend to get back into Annie soon, but I've just been having too much fun as illaoi.
Also, no worries. We all get that way sometimes. I'd be a hypocrite if I were to deny ever being salty in games, though I do what I can to avoid harassing the player. Ultimately, my passive aggressive stance usually ends up having me being harassed instead.
EndlessSorcerer2 votesAnd how have you conceded a valid debate? All you did was give techincal terms to a champion that has a similar role but are named differently apperently on paper.
I have provided factual proof of the champions' classes as defined by Riot (who have designed the game).
Nasus maybe classified as a "fighter" but he is still playing the same role as a TANK.
Nope. While both clsses are typically durable, they differ greatly in purpose. In short:
How have I made "personal" attacks? I am talking about your VIDEO GAME statistics, not your family. How can you even make a comparison?
Personal Attack: Making of an abusive remark on or relating to somebody's person instead of providing evidence when examining another person's claims or comments.
Not one of you guys justified anything about a tank literally deleting a squishy in 0.5-1 second, with absolute 0 counter.
Quit trying to act so smart.
If you consider proper grammar and basic debate skills to be "acting smart", you have my condolences.
Elven Moon1 votesI love how this comment got downvoted, people just downvote now days out of spite
Iota Theta5 votes[{quoted}](name=Elven Moon,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5qZZvAzE,comment-id=00060000000000000000,timestamp=2017-05-29T21:06:19.330+0000)
And how have you conceded a valid debate? All you did was give techincal terms to a champion that has a similar role but are named differently apperently on paper. Nasus maybe classified as a "fighter" but he is still playing the same role as a TANK.
How have I made "personal" attacks? I am talking about your VIDEO GAME statistics, not your family. How can you even make a comparison? Oh i know, just like you made a comparision to fighters/tanks/juggernauts.
Not one of you guys justified anything about a tank literally deleting a squishy in 0.5-1 second, with absolute 0 counter.
Quit trying to act so smart.
He did counter your argument though. You said you were killed by three tanks..he merely pointed out the flaw that voli and lee sin are not tanks.
while Nasus is considered a fighter, he is not, in fact, fulfilling the same role as a tank. Sure, he draws the enemy's focus, but that's not the intent. Nasus first off cannot engage a teamfight. He mainly has to walk/ghost in to begin with and is easy to stop unless he is flanking. Then, he focuses down one enemy with his W and Q, for the most part. His E and Ult are AoE, but they don't deal much damage unless he built AP. W is his only CC and it's purpose is to allow him to stay on target, and it only affects one enemy. While he soaks damage, his main mission is to deal as much damage as he can at the same time.
Tanks, on the other hand, and by that I mean true tanks are designed around engaging (or peeling) and have lots of CC with nowhere near the damage of a jugg or bruiser, unless they cheese like AP Maokai or Malphite.
In this instance, Voli and Lee are designed to deal damage, and the Maokai you faced (if i found the right game) build 3 Mage items (Rabadon's, RoA, and Morello) buffing his damage, Ionian boots to spam more abilities, and then a SV, for MR and to boost his healing passive, and Thornmail. He then went after you on Annie, which only leans more in his favor as your spells will constantly reduce his passive's CD, allowing him to heal more often. You then built 0 MR, which didn't help against his either.
Also, your "personal attacks" were attacks toward his gaming person, saying he's barely played, and then derailed by saying that his opinion is not valid due to the fact he playes tanks (only recently, as he said) and bruisers.
EndlessSorcerer3 voteshe playes tanks (only recently, as he said) and bruisers.
Minor correction: I've been playing both fighters and tanks for quite a while.
Tanks were primarily used as a situational pick for when my team lacked utility and/or durability (i.e. everyone picked damage-oriented carries).
Considering how frequently this happened, I've played them a significant amount despite preferring fighters.
Iota Theta1 votesMinor correction: I've been playing both fighters and tanks for quite a while.
Tanks were primarily used as a situational pick for when my team lacked utility and/or durability (i.e. everyone picked damage-oriented carries).
Considering how frequently this happened, I've played them a significant amount despite preferring fighters.
Ah, my apologies. I misunderstood that bit.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesNot an issue. Just felt I should clarify it to prevent misunderstandings.