When the reason why they are "bad"
-Runs at Mach 7
- Did someone say mobility?
- even after nerfs killing you with just QR
- Did I mention burst damage?
- What about mobility and burst damage?
- Nerf Irelia!
I mean I could keep going, but we all know where this ends, damage is just too high, and so is mobility.
Saevum13 votesI hope True stealth it's not a mechanic that is meant to stay or spread on other kits later on. 
Hügö5 votesLike they used to just put small amount of true damage into the game and now start to throw it around, I wouldn't be that sure about that.
Rathar Dashing13 votesZoe isn't even OP anymore
Aseraan4 votesCringe fest thread whit no actualy discussion or general meaning.
Take my downvote.
GigglesO1 votesI’ll return the favor for not trying to discuss an open ended thread that was left very open so other players could try and discuss how they felt.
I don’t need to write a novel for you to understand my feels on damage and mobility when I can just make a few examples of what I think is making the game miserable to play.
Aseraan4 votesLook i know its fustrating as hell damage is high champs are cancer to play against as always BUT if we start doing this sht just OP pulled of im gona list every fking champ whit a one liner that will make anyone think they are unfair and broken.
GigglesO2 votesHey now, I'm actually ok with that!
Morde R + Ignite Garen spin + R Ap Malphite 1 combo cringes Darius ulti doing 1k+ true damage Yi doing more true damage than physical damage Lee sin ulti snares you before you even get kicked, and then q q to follow up the kick Evelyn charms your ass, bursts you with execute before you get uncharmed Akali wins the trade or becomes immune to getting hit = fair and balanced.
Lets go buddy. Lets list all the things that make you cringe because damage is too high. Or better yet lets also list how tanks have too many base stats which is why they are still allowed to purchase defensive items and other champions aren't.
Please, I beg you finish my list for me.
I'll even +1 you for continuing the conversation and typing out what I was too lazy to do.
Kelly K2 voteslucian doesn't dominate bot lane he usually outshine out of lane I've never had trouble with lucian in lane i don't see how people are complaining about him and arent the people who actually vs him.
FéliXXX2 votestalking about burst dmg and showing that lul when you have 0.75 to react to his ult then the cast time of wq and the 3 seconds of his ult pop LUL
Rαy7 votestalking about burst dmg and showing that
React to what exactly? You can't dodge his ult and he doesn't need to land shit nowadays. Ult, E, Auto, Duskblade, Electrocute, Pop, dead. You flash? He W's.
He used to take skill, these times are over. No stopwatch = death. Pretty frustrating.
GigglesO3 votesI purchased zhonas on an adc the other day because of this asshole. There is no other way to fight him unless you can nuke him.
Rathar Dashing1 votesWhy did you buy Zhonya's and not GA? Were you a hybrid like Kai'Sa?
GigglesO1 votesI had both, because his ulti cd is shorter than either one.
Rathar Dashing1 votesGood idea. Hopefully you had at least one AP scaling to work with, lol.
Mc Raton2 votesReact to what exactly? You can't dodge his ult and he doesn't need to land shit nowadays. Ult, E, Auto, Electrocute, Pop, dead. You flash? He W's.
He used to take skill, these times are over. No stopwatch = death. Pretty frustrating.
Because of what? 
. Before this item, Zed required to hit his kit to actually kill you. Mix that with keystone runes like Electrocute and you get insta killed before you can retaliate.
Rαy4 votes[{quoted}](name=Mc Raton,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=5mh0Zasf,comment-id=000400000001,timestamp=2018-12-14T17:43:14.656+0000)
Because of what?
Well yeah, exactly. Plus Runes Reforged. That's why I said he used to take skill.
FéliXXX1 votesReact to what exactly? You can't dodge his ult and he doesn't need to land shit nowadays. Ult, E, Auto, Duskblade, Electrocute, Pop, dead. You flash? He W's.
He used to take skill, these times are over. No stopwatch = death. Pretty frustrating.
huh????? you can react to the mark so you can flash or dash away (why would you be in his ult range) but anyway early game he needs to lane a triple q and his target not to be full hp to get a kill so if you flash out and he follows you he wont be able to kill, btw zeds ult is one of the habilities with more counterplay in the game and pls STOP saying he doesnt need to hit enything when riot made him only do dmg with his q they nerffed his e dmg and gutted his auto so if he kills you with a r e aa ignite you just fed him so hard....
being a mage bying seekers =inmortal. pretty frustrating.
ankoanko192 votesWtf? Jhin, Irelia, Zed, Zoe arent even op anymore. Irelia is even expected to get buffs (or a bit of a gameplay update) in 9.2 because she's just so bad right now. ADC's are bad because they blow up before they can even react and they cant reach their item cores fast enough.
GigglesO2 votesADC's are bad because they blow up before they can even react
They might not be "op" but they still blow you before you can react.
[slayer-jinx-wink]
ankoanko194 votesThey might not be "op" but they still blow you before you can react.
[slayer-jinx-wink]
These 6 specific champions arent the cause of ADC's being bad. If anything, mages contribute a lot more to it than what assassins or bruisers do.
GigglesO1 votesWell, those guys need damage nerfs too.
has mobility charms you and you die.
kills you with her mobility spell.
spear + jump = dead
jump jump jump dead
q w eeeeeeeeeee dead
I mean it points to the bigger issue of when we made tank stats ineffective on anyone but tanks.
It only took a few seasons but noone builds tank items anymore because they are noob traps.
ankoanko192 votesWell, those guys need damage nerfs too.
I mean it points to the bigger issue of when we made tank stats ineffective on anyone but tanks.
It only took a few seasons but noone builds tank items anymore because they are noob traps.
Look, ADC's are supposed to be squishy and sometimes get oneshot. The champions you're mentioning ARENT the cause of them being bad. The problem is, is with the new runes it's just too easy to accomplish that. We dont get nearly as much armor/mr as we used to with the old rune system. Not only that but ADCs cant really spike. Their items are so costly for a role which has 0 agency throughout the early and midgame.
GigglesO1 votesLol so, who are the champs that cause them to be bad if it isn't the ones that blow them up instantly?
Which is you know the problem that you said they have.
ankoanko192 votesLol so, who are the champs that cause them to be bad if it isn't the ones that blow them up instantly?
Which is you know the problem that you said they have.
Well the champs you mention have always oneshot ADCs'. The problem is more when characters like 
start doing it without being able to before. This is all a problems of the rune system.
GigglesO2 votesHey now, brand is two shotting the enemy.
LordGeovanni1 votesThing is even though Those champions do too much damage its because they are buffed to do too much damage to keep up with adc and they were buffed because of each other about 4 times.
LordGeovanni1 votesheres a secret they arent effective on tanks either
Yordle Xayah2 votesZoe is pretty shit right now... there's characters way worse than her right now.
LordGeovanni1 votesI agree with all of those except irelia where you can just not get hit with her E or let her ramp up on minions because her Q damage is shit still shit is she hits it twice. hell all of irelia's skills do shit damage base damage dont scale well and with her E scaling in ap As if her E was useable like her old E for quick damage that you can get off multiple times. irelia just works real well with trinity force.
GodlyBane1 votesDamage - yes
Mobility creep - well lets be real guys it was just a circle made by someone who probably played xerath once, got shit on because he didnt know how to play xerath even THOUGH xerath is fairly OP (dont even get me started on anivia, cass and ryze) and then went crazy on the boards on 20 different accounts, and people who agree with this statement are probably people who main immobile champions, but then got outplayed by a champ with mobility and is now complaining about it on the boards
Downvote creep - ..what?
