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Can Morde get some temporary work until his VGU?

Kelg··5 votes·4,634 views

I'm tired of people saying he's useless because he can't tank or engage... Though they are right in a sense, as he needs a special team to even work properly, and doesn't really fit into any lane properly:

  • If you take him top, you're denying your team CC and engage and putting yourself far away from the Dragon, which is a major part of his kit
  • If you go mid, you get poked to death by champions like Lux Anivia Xerath Azir etc.
  • If you go bot, god forbid the game go on longer than 20 minutes, because you will have no ADC and Mordekaiser's late game is trash
  • I don't think I need to go into detail about Morde jungle or support, it's legit trolling

Morde needs some rebalancing to put him in line with the other juggernauts even if that means giving him some kind of CC and/or mobility. Let's be real here, the idea that there should be a slow moving(lowest MS in the game counting passives and such), CC-less, mobility-less, zero tenacity, champion that is countered by both CC, and mobility when 99% of the champions have one or both of these things is seriously poor design. Right now he's just some kind of experimental mess that was supposed to go in bot lane but doesn't work there, and has been left in a shit state since his rework. He needs either a full revert or a partial revert to make him more of a solo queue champion. I know he's not a popular champion, but please don't make us wait for 1-3(+??) years for him to get a VGU. [zombie-nunu-bummed]

10 Comments

YumaS2Astral2 votes

I think just increasing Mordekaiser's base stats would already be a great change.

Seriously, his base stats are garbage, except his base AD, which is insane, but that doesn't really matter much, especially since Morde rarely buys Spellblade items.

He needs his movement speed to be back to 340 like before the rework, and his armor and HP to be increased to at least acceptable levels, so that laning against AD champions wouldn't feel like a chore.

Seriously, Mordekaiser only has higher base HP than some enchanter supports, Ezreal, Zyra, Sion, and Gnar. Every other juggernaut has at least 2000 base HP, but Mordekaiser sits at 1856 base HP. Even Cho'Gath gets 1934 base HP at least, and he can increase his HP ad infinitum. His base armor is comparable to that of many mages and ADCs, and he sits at the lowest possible base movement speed for a champion, only being better than Janna and unmounted Kled (it is important to note that Janna has a passive that increases her movement speed, with her W giving her even more movement speed, so she is more than compensated for that). It is unacceptable that Mordekaiser sits at such low base movement speed tier when he doesn't have any form of mobility or CC.

Vyuprax1 votes

Yeah, he needs some love.item 3070 Mordekaiser item 3070

Vartius1 votes

Funny you mention Azir, since Morde actually counters the bastard hard.

Kelg1 votes

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Funny you mention Azir, since Morde actually counters the bastard hard.

Does he? I've never played against him after his rework. I just remember him poking me for half a lane away.

YumaS2Astral1 votes

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Does he? I've never played against him after his rework. I just remember him poking me for half a lane away.

He doesn't. In lane, Azir pokes Morde from a safe distance and Morde can do nothing back. Either that or he pushes lane, and Mordekaiser can't push back. Morde is also at risk of being dived, while Azir is not. Azir can attempt to kite Morde later in the game, especially if he has Rylai, and if Mordekaiser tries to get near him, Azir can ult and use his mobility to escape.

Plus, Azir makes for a bad choice for a ghost with Mordekaiser's ult, since he can't summon soldiers, which are necessary to deal damage as Azir.

Vartius1 votes

He actually does counter Azir. Azir early deals damage in a very sustained, slow manner - Mordekaiser shield can almost always negate all the damage Azir can dish out. Mordekaiser can and will catch up to Azir pre-6 without using flash (Boots/celerity) - and once Morde is on him, Azir cannot fight him in any way. He may use his mobility... However, a Mordekaiser should go in just AFTER Azir used his Q and Azir won't be able to really escape him. Azir on low levels has a very high CD on his Q. Mordekaiser power spike comes at level 3 - that's when Azir will be most vulnerable. In order to stand any chance Azir has to pick all three spells by level 3, so Q will still have a 15 sec CD. If Azir wants to poke Mordekaiser, he has to use his Q. If he does, Azir is either dead or will waste his flash. By level 4 Azir will have 12.5 cd cooldown on Q, so Mordekaiser will still be able to go in while Q is cooling down. Level 5 - 10 seconds. Level 6 Azir gets ultimate - That's when Mordekaiser will be forced to use flash in order to kill Azir... When his ultimate is ready. Azir has a pretty standard cooldown on his ulti - 120 seconds. At this point he still has 10 seconds on his Q. The moment he uses his Q, Morde can go in, just as he did ealier and bait Azir's ulti - that or kill him. Once Azir uses his ult Morde can allow him to disengage... And just go in after Azir uses his Q again. Or he can flash, if Azir used his own flash ealier. After that Azir will be gaining more power, mostly due to his cd going down and cdr going up. But pre-6 Azir even with a lot of CDR will still be an easy prey for Mordekaiser.

Mordekaiser is countered by Azir only in a situation where Azir isn't behind and is fed. And that shouldn't happen if you lane against him.

Back when Morde and Azir were a bit more popular, one could see it on sites like Lolalytics and champion.gg as well - Azir was always lane countered by Morde. Currently not much data can be found - Azir slightly globally counters Mordekaiser - but that's mostly due to the fact that usually Mordekaiser lanes Top, so Azir won't be matched against him.

EDIT: Azir is actually my favorite laner to fight against aside from Yasuo - in both cases I can be certain that if I am not camped by the jungler I will be fine. And on Mid even Mordekaiser can escape ganks, so that's that.

AbyssmalHydra1 votes

I agree but personally, I think they should just revert his E and make his W not require an ally while disabling the healing portion of it (otherwise morde JG would be y I k e s) and overall just buff his base stats, despite what riot thinks he really doesn't need a full rework or any real massive work done to hold him over. But yeah...keeping him in this state until his eventual rework would drive me mad.

saltran1 votes

Not that I agree, but he will stay in the same bugged spot until he gets the VGU most likely, anyway take my upvote

leakinb1 votes

[{quoted}] Morde needs some rebalancing to put him in line with the other juggernauts even if that means giving him some kind of CC and/or mobility. Let's be real here, the idea that there should be a slow moving(lowest MS in the game counting passives and such), CC-less, mobility-less, zero tenacity, champion that is countered by both CC, and mobility when 99% of the champions have one or both of these things is seriously poor design. Right now he's just some kind of experimental mess that was supposed to go in bot lane but doesn't work there, and has been left in a shit state since his rework.

Agree Such shit champion can't even one-shot any squishies withoutsummoner 4 and brings none utility to the team Just a mess omg

Fear the Kayn1 votes

tbh I'm not even sure why Nunu is getting a VGU before Morde. Nunu is pretty solid pick and sees quite a bit of gameplay.

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