Why does Spell Vamp still exist as a stat?

what you deserve··67 votes·5,196 views

Neither Will of the Ancients nor Hextech Gunblade actually give you Spell Vamp anymore- the only item that does so is a component of those. It seems a bit odd to have a stat that can only be granted by runes, a component item, or Akali's passive. I'd say to just change the way champs with build in SV work and change the Hextech Revolver. Does this not make sense?

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delonix34 votes

It's not as rare as you make it seem. Morgana's passive, Lee Sin's W, Ryze R, Vampirism mastery, and Maw of Malmortius all have spell vamp as well.

Aeszarck3 votes

Good catch! I was going to mention Morgana, but I'd forgotten about the other three (and I play Ryze :o).

Evewynn3 votes

Don't forget the spell vamp quints. I actually run them on some safe laners like malz and morg, even though in general they are pretty weak and way too expensive.

Xenos111116 votes

Don't forget Ahri passive (although I'm not sure that actually gives spell vamp as a stat when it's up)

Old Man Teeto13 votes

It's an AP scaling flat heal based on number of targets hit.

iamthegoatofwar9 votes

he might also being thinking of old ahri. depending on when the last time he played her it's possible he never noticed that changed.

Xenos1111110 votes

Haven't played her in years, I just remember is used to be 35% spell vamp on the next ability when stacked. I usually read all the patch notes but I never noticed/forgot this change.

elon wątroba2 votes

I think olaf used to grant spellvamp as well.

OverpoweredSoap18 votes

Before Riot does ANYTHING with spellvamp I think they want to take a look at Vlad first, which is why they've done nothing with spellvamp just yet.

I'd wait after mid year for any changes to spellvamp.

iamthegoatofwar4 votes

You're correct they've stated themselves that vlad is the reason spell vamp is not strong right now. They have also apologized for releasing him.

(please do not ask me for sources on either of these I can not remember, but I remember seeing them long ago.

Nimble Manta6 votes

A lot of people say this and no one can provide a source. :/

Auryiel2 votes

It's still true though

Can you really expect people to just go dig through the old forums for that info?

I'm a Vlad fan and I can tell you this post was the moment I realized Vlad would never be allowed to be strong for a long period of time. Feels bad

Nimble Manta4 votes

I agree, him being strong would not be good. Not from a balance perspective, but he's just simply way to obnoxious if he gets ahead. The "They have also apologized for releasing him." that people throw around however sounds extremely overkill. This would mean that vladimir is the only champion riot apologized for releasing. Yet they've reworked, soraka, veigar, morde, etc. without even touching vlad after his chain nerfs. If he was seriously the only "mistake" champion in the entire game or even just the worst mistake, don't you think they'd of done something about it by now.

As for spellvamp, while I can understand vlad scaling with it harder than most being an issue (e stacks) there's more compelling arguments than "lol vladimir" as to why spellvamp is weak. Namely, that the gameplay pattern of most mages would be incredibly toxic if it wasn't weak (imagine lux healing 200hp every time she E's or leblanc maxing out her health bar everytime she combos.)

OneSmoothDude3 votes

I wouldn't be surprised at all if one time in a comment four years ago a random Rioter said something like, "Yeah I admit, when Vlad was released his E was a little strong. lol Sorry about that!"

Flash forward a couple years and now everybody's saying "Yeah but Riot made an official statement apologizing for ever releasing Vlad! See guys he's so Toxic even RITO admits it!!"

Nimble Manta2 votes

I mean the closest thing I could find was this:

"Originally, he actually healed OTHERS with his E (! ! !). He was supposed to do the Aatrox pattern by having E cost a lot of health, and Q being weak but refilling his HP.

I think he was a panic to release (before my time, but I've heard stories) because he had a lot flying around.

I think the choice is either to leave him as is (he's good in some comps) or rework him quite a bit. Vlad is really popular - the player impact of making this a good design is high.

I don't think Vlad's gameplay is great, but I think it's balanceable and not inherantly harmful if kept in check. I don't like it myself, but counter-play does not equate fun to play (hence metagolem popularity)." -Morello

So your guess wasn't far off :3

Neomea2 votes

I wouldn't put it past them, I mean I know one of the current rioters got in trouble a while back when they were working at Blizzard for essentially telling Unholy DK's and Rogues that they needed to learn to play after being asked if any balance changes were going to be made due to them underperforming by a large margin. And another Blizzard employee stated that Arenas were the worst idea they'd ever had and that they regretted implementing them.

Auryiel1 votes

You don't have to believe it, it's still true lol

To be fair, it came from Morello, the guy who was the lead champion designer at the time. He had a complete hatred of healing and said he wished he could remove Vlad from the game. It's not Riot's official stance, it was just a comment from a Rioter who was high up in the chain of command. Still felt like a slap in the face.

Nimble Manta1 votes

Do you have a link? An yes, I'd be quite concerned if you thought I was required to believe hearsay.

Auryiel1 votes

Like I said previously, you'd have to dig through the old forums to find the link

Why the hell would I care if you believe it's true or not when I know it is? lmao

You do what you want

Nimble Manta1 votes

Gum stays in your stomach for 7 years and blood is blue. I don't need to cite sources or provide evidence, I'm 2cool4u.

If you don't care what I or other people believe, why would you make the claim in the first place? According to you, you're partaking in an activity that you have no desire in doing.

Auryiel1 votes

So because I don't care that you believe it or not, I shouldn't say anything?

I know I saw the post, that's good enough for me. You didn't and you are unwilling to just accept a testimony. Ok. That's understandable, but why do I care again? Why should that stop me from talking about it?

Nimble Manta1 votes

My goal here isn't to put you down, I want to see this so called "delete vlad" post everyones talking about. However, if no one can show it to me nor can I find it through my own research, the next logical step is that it simply doesn't exist and the people claiming it does are full of bs. "I don't care if you believe it or not" as you know does not change that in anyway.

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2013/06/morello-on-aatroxsustain-xypherous-on.html

Morello commented:

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"Originally, he actually healed OTHERS with his E (! ! !). He was supposed to do the Aatrox pattern by having E cost a lot of health, and Q being weak but refilling his HP. 

I think he was a panic to release (before my time, but I've heard stories) because he had a lot flying around.

I think the choice is either to leave him as is (he's good in some comps) or rework him quite a bit. Vlad is really popular - the player impact of making this a good design is high.

** I don't think Vlad's gameplay is great, but I think it's balanceable and not inherantly harmful if kept in check**. I don't like it myself, but counter-play does not equate fun to play (hence metagolem popularity)."

Apparently morello doesn't have any special hatred for vlad.

Meep Man1 votes

I had a very hard time believing it as well, but I looked into it and it IS there from Meddler.

Nimble Manta1 votes

Link?

Narasimha1 votes

Just search on the boards. Someone asked about Vlad for the upcoming mage rework not even 2 weeks ago, and I believe it was Meddler who responded. Though to be fair, they're only really upset about his Q and to an extent his E rather than his kit as a whole.

Nimble Manta2 votes

I'm aware of that post. "We think the play pattern of his Q is toxic" isn't the same as "I'm sorry for ever releasing this toxic piece of shit" that people keep claiming exists somewhere.

ForeverLaxx2 votes

That's because there isn't a source. Vlad was the first champion released after I started playing, and was my main for a long time until Riot butchered him into near old-Evelynn status. The closest anyone has gotten to "apologizing" for Vlad was when Morello made a blanket statement about hating healers and called out Soraka and Vlad as the two he disliked the most. Clearly not an apology of any sort, but when the only information you can get is from people who don't know the story, you're bound to get misleading data.

The Voids Call1 votes

i don't know why they ever did anything with spell vamp anyways. "let's effectly nerf this whole stat into the dirt because these 2 champions of about 40 are way to strong with it."

Rito logic

Rivini14 votes

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It seems a bit odd to have a stat that can only be granted by runes, a component item, or Akali's passive.

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SpecterVonBaren2 votes

Why does Morgana of all people have that passive anyway?

Billy VoHagen7 votes

Why does Nasus have life steal?

Because they are both old champs who, in that time, were not given 'interesting/cool/interactive' passives like champs have now, but just flat stats. Look at most 450/1350 champ passives.

SpecterVonBaren2 votes

Nasus's makes sense. He's someone that wants to just farm through the early game so he can get stacks and his passive helps mitigate harass he gets. Morgana is a mage that prefers to fish for Q's and then go all in with W and ult. She doesn't get much harass and even though her ult requires her to go into close range, he abilities are on too long a cooldown for her to heal up from all the damage she'd take when going into range with her ult since she'd probably have blown everything before using it.

RocketRelm2 votes

The spell vamp is surprisingly useful for Morgana at all stages of the game. Early on when you w the waves or poke the enemies with q especially, it translates into a LOT of free sustain. Later on it keeps Morgana topped off in Poke Wars, if you don't have flash you usually take 'some' residual damage before you get your proper ult off, and 'definitely' for the second half of your ulti while you're in Zhoynas Land. Also, with max cdr your Q-W rotation is 6-7 ish seconds, which you can reasonably get off twice in a fight.

Voluug134 votes

Morgana was the Safe Mage of Midlane way before becoming a support, and the passive helps with that a lot. In fact she only became a support because the tanky engage CC bot supports were rampart and they needed a counter.

ChaddyFantome16 votes

Back when passives were passives and champs had only 1.

dangopee4 votes

I think they are slowly phasing it out because it is actually pretty confusing and unclear as to what procs spellvamp to new players and people who didn't basically study the wiki. There are also very few low cool down single target spells in the game which means most spells in the game only use it at a third effectiveness.

AwesomeChad3 votes

IMO, riot needs to make this stat more rewarding. Make actual items that give some type of incentive for mages to build more spell vamp over something else. This is a healthy way to promote build diversity because I can see spell vamp being used as a way for mages to stay alive longer in a fight, thus it could be very good on ap champions with low cld spells.

WadeWilson13375 votes

Sadly they cant do much to spellvamp in its current state because of Vladimir. If they made spell vamp strong, hed be broken and he would just have to get mega nerfed because he would abuse it like hell. Wait for his rework and maybe theyll look into it, though i think there should be more spell vamp options with the retarded amount of lifesteal options there is.

Nimble Manta1 votes

Most mages are nightmarish with high amounts of spell vamp. Imagine trying to kill a katarina or lux ;-;

Mhihnj1 votes

Imagine lux or kata with a spellvamp bloodthirster (manathirster?)

what you deserve1 votes

already build wota on lux for the cdr sometimes, it's pretty hilarious

runedara5 votes

Part of the problem was back when Ahri built it as a core build. It was impossible to push them out of lane. Same problem with Morgana she would cast Tormented Soil once or twice and get back half her HP. It really made some champs a nightmare to push out of lane.

Billy VoHagen3 votes

It will most likely be worked on with mage rework.

Malhammers2 votes

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WEANUS PEANUS17 votes

This doesn't grant spell vamp only increases your spell vamp by 20%.

0 x 0.2 = 0

The item grants no spell vamp until you already have spell vamp.

roar20012 votes

I think it would be 1.2. 10 x 0.2 = 2 And who would want a stat decrease?

Squidblimp1 votes

Vladimir. That is all.

CerebralKnight2 votes

Mord, Morg, Akali...

Squidblimp1 votes

I'm saying that Spellvamp is only bought on Vlad, unless you include Hextech as Spellvamp.

CerebralKnight1 votes

Umm again Mord, morg, and akali can all build spell vamp viably as well.

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