It feels unfair to have a fresh level 30 account trying ranked for the first time on your team.

Hoenheim777·Mar 3, 2018·7 votes·1,341 views

Very frequently I get matched with a player that just got to level 30 and is playing his first couple of ranked games when I am in high silver/low gold elo. Supposedly, according to op.gg, being in silver 1 I am ranked higher than 70% of players in the NA server. Why is it that somebody with very low understanding of the game presumably from lack of experience gets matched with the top 30 percent of players to determine his level and place him in his appropriate elo. Often this results in low quality games that with clearly unbalanced teams where the unranked player does very poorly and the team is hard pressed to carry him. I propose they get matched with low silver/high bronze or possibly even lower. Maybe it should be wherever the 50% percent mark is. Thoughts?

16 Comments

Pika FoxMar 3, 20183 votes

Who are they supposed to play with? I mean seriously, this isnt a good argument. They need to start ranked sometime.

And a level 30 account isnt a "new player".

Hoenheim777Mar 3, 20182 votes

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Who are they supposed to play with? I mean seriously, this isnt a good argument. They need to start ranked sometime.

And a level 30 account isnt a "new player".

Its like you people just read the title of the post and not the actual post. I suggested who they should play with.

SubdueMar 4, 20181 votes

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Its like you people just read the title of the post and not the actual post. I suggested who they should play with.

You said "Low Silver or Bronze." But players are already entering at Silver 3. If they're in your Silver 1 game, it's because they won a few preliminary matches and thus climbed to Silver 1 quickly. How far do you think Silver 1 is from Silver 3?

Pika FoxMar 4, 20181 votes

Apparently youre at or below the 50% mark in MMR, because guess where they start? They already enter at the proper point.

FOR JUSTICEMar 3, 20182 votes

But statistically speaking they are also performing around your level (which is about silver 3/2)

SwiftKitten88Mar 3, 20189 votes

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But statistically speaking they are also performing around your level (which is about silver 3/2)

statistically speaking you're talking out of your ass.

a new player regardless of mechanical skills has no game knowledge and therefore is bronze.

just my last 2 ranked game a one of my friend's friend (who i had never played with) asked was an adc looking for a support. because my friend was with my other friend in a duo already. i said i support this guy.

well he had AMAZING mechanics.. but he literally made the dumbest decisions ever.

EVERY new player is bronze... because they don't understand the game... they don't know the match-ups.. the cant play the map.. etc etc..

sure in a year or two if they learn how the game works.

also this IS the reason why silver is the worst elo to be in. because in bronze you get stupid players on BOTH teams.. so not only do they not take advantage of your stupid ally u got properly but they will easily misplay and make stupid decision and throw said lead.

in silver w/e team gets a new player is screwed unless the other team got one as well... because ANY player who has actually CLIMBED out of bronze can wipe the floor with any fresh lvl thirty.

also... if riot decided to put new players in diamond the statistical average of new players would be diamond..

that doesn't mean they have diamond skills I'm measuring actual skill here.

new players are silver because riot PUTS then in silver and because they force-ably get demoted while bring 4 other actual silver down with them. unless you have the skill to carry a 4v6 vs players who aren't likely to throw a lead regularly. w/e game you get a fresh lvl thirty in your going to lose.

EmperorPenguMar 3, 20184 votes

When first playing ranked you start off with a mmr of silver 3. This goes up or down over the 10 games you play. Silver 3 is around 50% (50% are better 50% are worse) in terms of people so it’s the best place to start someone. Even if they are fresh lv 30 if they win vs silver 3’s then they are generally better than 50% of the player base. If they lose they are worse than 50% of the player base.

SwiftKitten88Mar 3, 20181 votes

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When first playing ranked you start off with a mmr of silver 3. This goes up or down over the 10 games you play. Silver 3 is around 50% (50% are better 50% are worse) in terms of people so it’s the best place to start someone. Even if they are fresh lv 30 if they win vs silver 3’s then they are generally better than 50% of the player base. If they lose they are worse than 50% of the player base.

yeah.. but any new player is by default worse than 95% of the player base because they have zero game knowledge and therefor even mid level bronze who have been playing for a year could slap therm silly.

and lvling to thirty is even FASTER than it used to be.

do u expact ANY new players to know the skills of all 130+ champsions? thier counters.. they matchups. no.. but even basic things like... dont feed the enemy...

or if there are four bot at our t2 and your killing their t2.. DON'T FREAKING PEEL OFF SAID T2 TO "COME AND HELP"

my team forced a 4v5... im nowhere near them... so i dont come join... instead i take the two free inhibs. and my team yells at me for doing so...

MorganFreemanBotMar 3, 20183 votes

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statistically speaking you're talking out of your ass.

a new player regardless of mechanical skills has no game knowledge and therefore is bronze.

Silver is generally where players have (some) mechanical skill but extraordinarily poor game knowledge. They have varying degrees of understanding on how to fight / lane, but beyond that they make poor calls and are extraordinarily inefficient at leveraging leads into game-closing pressure. This is why silver games frequently drag into 40+ minutes (unless surrendered).

While many new players certainly are bronze, silver is the better place to start them because it's more of a middle ground. Silver, as a whole, is more about learning how to function autonomously and wrap up games based on the failings of the opposition, as it's quite easy to win based on a single player striving to actually close out the game.

Hoenheim777Mar 4, 20181 votes

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Silver is generally where players have (some) mechanical skill but extraordinarily poor game knowledge. They have varying degrees of understanding on how to fight / lane, but beyond that they make poor calls and are extraordinarily inefficient at leveraging leads into game-closing pressure. This is why silver games frequently drag into 40+ minutes (unless surrendered).

While many new players certainly are bronze, silver is the better place to start them because it's more of a middle ground. Silver, as a whole, is more about learning how to function autonomously and wrap up games based on the failings of the opposition, as it's quite easy to win based on a single player striving to actually close out the game.

"Quite easy to win based on a single player striving to actually close out the game" You are so wrong its hard to believe anybody would genuinely have this opinion.

MorganFreemanBotMar 4, 20181 votes

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"Quite easy to win based on a single player striving to actually close out the game" You are so wrong its hard to believe anybody would genuinely have this opinion.

I routinely get low gold each ranked season, with 10-30 raked games played, just to get the rewards (mainly the skin).

When doing this, I pretty consistently maintain a 70-80% winrate. I do this by, like I said, striving to close out the game. We win a team fight and my team splits up to go farm the jungle / lanes, I shove it down mid and work at taking towers.

Shit, this season I did it by building banner and zzrot every game and applying pressure to two lanes at the same time.

I'm literally speaking from opinion here.

Hoenheim777Mar 4, 20181 votes

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statistically speaking you're talking out of your ass.

a new player regardless of mechanical skills has no game knowledge and therefore is bronze.

just my last 2 ranked game a one of my friend's friend (who i had never played with) asked was an adc looking for a support. because my friend was with my other friend in a duo already. i said i support this guy.

well he had AMAZING mechanics.. but he literally made the dumbest decisions ever.

EVERY new player is bronze... because they don't understand the game... they don't know the match-ups.. the cant play the map.. etc etc..

sure in a year or two if they learn how the game works.

also this IS the reason why silver is the worst elo to be in. because in bronze you get stupid players on BOTH teams.. so not only do they not take advantage of your stupid ally u got properly but they will easily misplay and make stupid decision and throw said lead.

in silver w/e team gets a new player is screwed unless the other team got one as well... because ANY player who has actually CLIMBED out of bronze can wipe the floor with any fresh lvl thirty.

also... if riot decided to put new players in diamond the statistical average of new players would be diamond..

that doesn't mean they have diamond skills I'm measuring actual skill here.

new players are silver because riot PUTS then in silver and because they force-ably get demoted while bring 4 other actual silver down with them. unless you have the skill to carry a 4v6 vs players who aren't likely to throw a lead regularly. w/e game you get a fresh lvl thirty in your going to lose.

Amen brother.

spaghëttiMar 3, 20182 votes

nah...when I played ranked for the first time I got gold to silver teammates until mmr gradually decreased to bronze so I suppose op is talking about players that were literally trying ranked for the first time

Hoenheim777Mar 3, 20181 votes

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But statistically speaking they are also performing around your level (which is about silver 3/2)

Its interesting to see so many people say that they are my level when the post itself reads that Silver 1 is better than 70% of the ranked player-base. I really don't see how somebody who so little experience could be better than 70% of players. It might be that most of the people saying this are just "high" elo players with the mentality that all people lower elo than them are just bad and that's it. Clearly there are different levels of understanding and skill. That is why there are different tiers as opposed to just challenger and baddies.

SubdueMar 3, 20181 votes

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Its interesting to see so many people say that they are my level when the post itself reads that Silver 1 is better than 70% of the ranked player-base. I really don't see how somebody who so little experience could be better than 70% of players. It might be that most of the people saying this are just "high" elo players with the mentality that all people lower elo than them are just bad and that's it. Clearly there are different levels of understanding and skill. That is why there are different tiers as opposed to just challenger and baddies.

https://www.leagueofgraphs.com/rankings/rank-distribution

While that may be true, you have to consider how much better. About 43% of ranked players are between Silver 2 and Silver 5. Another 22% of players are in Bronze. Are you statistically better than all of them? Sure. But only 200 MMR or so separate you from someone in Silver 5. That's less than half of what separates you from Gold 1.

Hoenheim777Mar 4, 20181 votes

Some, presumably others who have had to climb out of silver, seem to understand my plight. Most are saying the same thing everybody answers to any low elo concern about matchmaking: "you aren't actually that much better than them lol, thats why you got matched with them". To put it in perspective for you guys, games where this happens are very similar to games in high elo with a player who very clearly bought their account somewhere, or paid somebody to boost it. This person is completely out of place and it is obvious to everybody in the game. This is a legitimate concern in League of Legends, however, when it happens in low elo its "Get good kid". The placement system is clearly flawed in this aspect and it is leading to low quality and unbalanced games.