Black Cleaver should not be built on Assassins or Marksmans

Augušt·11/21/2016, 6:37:54 PM·4 votes·1,011 views

Black Cleaver is a Juggernaut item that is suppose to help a Champion utilize their high base damages through the 30% Shred and 20% Cooldown Reduction, as well as encourage long fights by having the Shred stack up over time and having HP as one of its stats. However, I feel like right now Assassins and Marksmans are making inappropriately good use of it.

Now that Assassin items and flat Armor Pen has been reworked, Marksmans should be using Last Whisperer upgrades instead as their % Armor Pen item, instead of exploiting Cleaver's CDR and Movement Speed.

Assassin's should not have access to %Pen items, as they're suppose to be weak to fighting targets with lots of Armor, and instead should be using they're superior mobility and tricks to outsmart these types of enemies, rather than just brute forcing them.

I believe this problem can be solved by simply changing around a few stats of the item. Such as... AD: 50 ---> 30 (-20 AD) HP: 300 ---> 500 (+200 HP) Build Path: Phage + Caulfield's Hammer ---> Phage + Kindlegem or Phage + Jaurim's Fist

This will help push it back into where Juggernauts want this item to because they can make good use of HP and don't mind losing that AD since their bases are already great, while Assassins and Marksmans will have to make a trade-off if they want the CDR, %Shred, and Movement Speed, at the cost of a pretty big damage loses.

7 Comments

Oglaf11/21/2016, 6:51:50 PM5 votes

There are tons of items that should be made melee-only, if you ask me.

Big Lincoln11/21/2016, 6:42:00 PM2 votes

I like how you're just reverting it to the original juggernaut cleaver lol

Cleaver is valuable because the armor shred makes lethality even stronger, it's natural synergy

khorney11/21/2016, 6:39:27 PM1 votes

i mean let them buil dit it is a waste of time becuase u have to have the aoe on another item to take full effect of BC. reason mf builds it is becusae of her ult. A adc would have to build runaans rageblade as well to make full effect of the item.

FourVsFive11/21/2016, 7:28:01 PM1 votes

its a pretty good item, i starting to try it on nasus over triforce.

JedenVojak11/21/2016, 7:44:04 PM1 votes

People should buy whatever items they think are appropriate, and black cleaver will continue to be built so long as other item penetration items suck as much as they do.