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Camille's ult is what Xin Zhao's should have been

Augušt·11/21/2016, 7:30:18 PM·145 votes·8,802 views

Knocking back all allies and forcing a 1v1 arena duel? That should have been Xin Zhao's niche as a Diver.

Unfortunately, now it looks like he'll have to find something else that makes him distnict, even though it was so perfect for his theme.

Edit: Alot of people are saying its more like Jarvan's ultimate but I'd have to disagree. Jarvan's ultimate traps everyone he can fit into it inside it, while Xin Zhao's ult is all about singling out a target and knocking back all of an their allies, therefore I saw a bigger connection between Camille and Xin than Jarvan.

And to everyone saying this is okay, consider this. Camille's ult does what Xin Zhao's ult is trying to do, without regard to what this leaves Xin Zhao. This new champion is taking something Xin Zhao has always done, and 1-Upping it. She is stealing a piece of Xin Zhao's identity, someone whose existed for years now, is being relegated to being the second best at the thing that made him unique.

So now when the invetiable Diver rework comes, and its Xin Zhao's turn to recieve changes, he won't be the man diving in and splitting the enemy team apart, even though he always has, Camille stole that part of him, and what does that leave him left to work with?

169 Comments

Anonagon11/21/2016, 7:35:34 PM70 votes

Now that I think about it, Camille's ult literally does what Xin's Ult is supposed to accomplish better than Xin's ult does

Its amazingly stupid that Riot could manage to create such an overlap even after all they've said and done about "strategy diversity" and "unique reasons to pick champions"

Mystic Buttthole11/21/2016, 8:13:15 PM31 votes

item 3070 JarvanIV

NewGuy10111/21/2016, 10:59:11 PM14 votes

XinZhao is unique. No one knows if they're saying his name correctly.

Oglaf11/21/2016, 7:44:41 PM13 votes

It is basically an improved version of JarvanIV because it can trigger CoTC.

WoonStruck11/21/2016, 7:43:41 PM11 votes

Because Riot doesn't bother fixing the champions they already have.

HazyCloud711/21/2016, 9:04:06 PM10 votes

It doesn't force a 1v1 duel though. The person you ult can't leave the zone but their teammates can enter it after being knocked away.

I think that fact that it's a target gap closer is going to make it extremely useful. Wont force a 1v1 but at the very least whoever you ult wont be able to flash out of the fight entirely like they could if Xin ulted them.

Totalis11/22/2016, 5:33:47 AM8 votes

The more I thought about it the more right you are. Xin's lore was all about him being a champion of the arena, so creating a 1v1 arena would have been so perfect for him as an ultimate.

AYD Ankrauser11/22/2016, 5:56:20 AM7 votes

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Knocking back all allies and forcing a 1v1 arena duel? That should have been Xin Zhao's niche as a Diver.

Unfortunately, now it looks like he'll have to find something else that makes him distnict, even though it was so perfect for his theme.

Edit: Alot of people are saying its more like Jarvan's ultimate but I'd have to disagree. Jarvan's ultimate traps everyone he can fit into it inside it, while Xin Zhao's ult is all about singling out a target and knocking back all of an their allies, therefore I saw a bigger connection between Camille and Xin than Jarvan.

And to everyone saying this is okay, consider this. Camille's ult does what Xin Zhao's ult is trying to do, without regard to what this leaves Xin Zhao. This new champion is taking something Xin Zhao has always done, and 1-Upping it. She is stealing a piece of Xin Zhao's identity, someone whose existed for years now, is being relegated to being the second best at the thing that made him unique.

So now when the invetiable Diver rework comes, and its Xin Zhao's turn to recieve changes, he won't be the man diving in and splitting the enemy team apart, even though he always has, Camille stole that part of him, and what does that leave him left to work with?

To piggy back on what you said. Not only does Xin's ult single out people like you said, but Camille's ult for Xin would be very appropriate because Xin's background was that he was an arena gladiator until Jarvan freed him. (correct me if I'm wrong)

notmebuthim11/22/2016, 4:37:10 AM7 votes

Her wall jump is also what talons should be :( item 3070 Talon

Craft Zeppelin11/22/2016, 1:20:07 AM4 votes

basically Xin is about being a braindead human torpedo, making loud noises and kamikaze.

Eeyore11/22/2016, 9:49:40 AM4 votes

Perhaps Legion Commander's ultimate (Duel) from DOTA would be more fitting for Xin Zhao, which is visually distinct from Camille's ultimate while still fulfilling the same basic "1v1 me scrub" effect. I will admit Camille stole his niche (I'm not pretending this doesn't suck for Xin Zhao), but Duel wouldn't be a bad fit as an alternative.

Legion Commander and the target enemy hero are taunted to each other, forcing them to attack each other while being unable to use abilities or control their movement. If either hero dies during the effect, the winning hero gains permanent bonus Attack Damage.

I imagine for League, Xin might retain the ability to activate his own Q and W. Similar to grounded, it could even be a unique crowd control effect that still allows all attack modifiers to work.

Speedphoenix11/22/2016, 4:18:28 PM3 votes

piltover was always better than demacia annyways

TheHappyReaperz11/21/2016, 11:11:33 PM1 votes

How is knocking back enemies perfect for Xin's theme? He's described as the Seneschal of Demacia. From that title, I would assume he was some kind of steward or some such. He seems, from his lore, to be a sworn protector. How would this ult signify that in any way.

Shadragon11/22/2016, 2:27:08 AM1 votes

Wasn't something similar to, but weaker than Camille's ult considered for the Fiora rework, but turned down because it would be too overpowered? Seems kinda strange that it's alright for Camille, who gets better base stats and a better kit too.