Stop Complaining About Viegar

doiminat0r3600·Oct 7, 2015·11 votes·440 views

Oh no! He can one shot you with his ult. Maybe you should build some MR or maybe just don't play a mage when you are laning against him ().

Why is this even a problem? 2 months ago nobody had an issue with it. Last time Viegar was touched it changed his Q stacking to apply on assists which has very little to do with anything.

He can get bursted down, singled out, his stun and highest damage ability (non ult) can be dodged easily, and he doesn't even have any form of mobility. If you should be complaining about anyone, it should be or even .

42 Comments

Prospector PeteOct 7, 20154 votes

He became flavor of the month.

KaxiOct 7, 20152 votes

This cannot be said more. This happens so often with champs. They stay the same for quite a few iterations...and it's usually a QOL buff that makes people freak out. It's so back-ass-wards.

AHeroNamedHawkeOct 7, 20154 votes

Because when you buff a champion in small ways 7 times it adds up to a large increase in power overall

doiminat0r3600Oct 8, 20151 votes

"Small ways" was after a massive nerf to his only CC.

The only things they actually did was change the time for the E to stun from .75 seconds to .5 seconds and add Q stacking on assists.

SalronOct 8, 20153 votes

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"Small ways" was after a massive nerf to his only CC.

The only things they actually did was change the time for the E to stun from .75 seconds to .5 seconds and add Q stacking on assists.

Right, lets not mention the single most important change he received which was making his cage stop all dashes, effectively making it a better J4 Ultimate

Get your damn facts straight.

Big LincolnOct 7, 20153 votes

idk he's pretty strong right now

i wouldn't mind reasonable down-tuning because he may be too good at what he does

doiminat0r3600Oct 7, 20151 votes

And what is he too good at doing?

Big LincolnOct 7, 20152 votes

farming and scaling

Veigar is very hard to shove out of lane as someone who plays both sides of the lane.

his burst is the same-ish, more reliable but not too reliable as to be oppressive. His enemy AP ratio could probably stand to be removed in favor of buffs elsewhere but that's a topic for a bigger rework

doiminat0r3600Oct 8, 20151 votes

Nasus

Big LincolnOct 8, 20154 votes

veigar outperforms nasus by a huge margin and scales faster than him, too

doiminat0r3600Oct 8, 20151 votes

Yet nasus gets 5 AD for each minion he kills with his Q while Viegar only gets a max of 1 per minion.

SalronOct 8, 20153 votes

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Yet nasus gets 5 AD for each minion he kills with his Q while Viegar only gets a max of 1 per minion.

Nasus gets 3 additional damage on his Q per minion not "5 AD" And Veigar can get 2 ap per Q cast if he kills 2 minions at the same time, not to mention that AP is applied to his entire kit while only Nasus' Q benefits from stacks. And we can't also forget that he is ranged and isn't as susceptible as Nasus is to being zoned from farm

Get your facts straight before making an argument

SirsirOct 11, 20151 votes

Guys its apples and oranges here. Nasus Q benefits from his natural lifesteal, point click soft cc, and he is a raid boss. Veigar is a burst mage with a giant dodgeable stun.

doiminat0r3600Oct 11, 20151 votes

I dont think its fair to call it a soft CC. It slows for 99%.

LuggOct 8, 20153 votes

The problem is that he can one shot you too early in the game right now due to his fast AP stacking.

doiminat0r3600Oct 8, 20151 votes

He can't one shot you early game. If you get stunned, yeah half your health is going down the drain but his stun isnt hard to dodge.

LuggOct 8, 20153 votes

I said too early in the game, not early game. However, I can one shot AP champs at 20 minutes pretty easy most games.

doiminat0r3600Oct 9, 20151 votes

With his whole kit tho. You have to remember 1 shot =/= killing someone in less than 2 seconds.

LuggOct 10, 20152 votes

If I have farmed my bonus AP well, I can 1 shot AP champs with just the ult at 20 minutes. If I didn't farm good, I can still kill most of them with just the R/Q combo. Which is basically instantaneous.

doiminat0r3600Oct 10, 20151 votes

I can't believe that you would believe that. If you can show me a non-fed Viegar that can one shot someone with his ult (on video) then I will believe you. Otherwise, I don't believe it.

LuggOct 10, 20153 votes

Good luck finding a Veigar that isn't fed against an AP mid by 20 minutes.

doiminat0r3600Oct 11, 20151 votes

Good luck finding one that is.

2 items are a strong counter to viegar. Those items are item 3001 and item 3111 . Boom. No more one shots because you can escape all of his hard CC and negate half of his "Complain worthy" damage.

EnosetcOct 11, 20153 votes

because a 5/0 mage shouldn't have to delay their biggest itemspike until 36 minutes just because veigar can press r

http://puu.sh/kFb6v/3eaddddc5e.jpg

this happened at worlds today. citing an e$ports example because that seems to be the only thing this board listens to

doiminat0r3600Oct 11, 20151 votes

I'd also like to point out that they counter built against Viegar before they built purely damage.

item 3001 item 3111 OP

EnosetcOct 11, 20153 votes

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I'd also like to point out that they counter built against Viegar before they built purely damage.

OP

they still almost lost the game purely because of veigar

4 kills and a 6k gold lead and they ended up losing two inhibitors because veigar zoned them off their own turrets by spamming e while his kog'maw auto'd towers from 700 units away

doiminat0r3600Oct 11, 20151 votes

That's not just because of Viegar. That's because that team was actually a team and knew what they were doing.

EnosetcOct 11, 20153 votes

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That's not just because of Viegar. That's because that team was actually a team and knew what they were doing.

they were behind the entire game and still lost

doiminat0r3600Oct 11, 20151 votes

The winning team...

EnosetcOct 11, 20153 votes

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The winning team...

the winning team was the team without veigar on it

doiminat0r3600Oct 11, 20151 votes

Then why are you complaining?

EnosetcOct 11, 20153 votes

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Then why are you complaining?

you don't see a problem with a champion's presence winning a game almost completely on its own while being behind the entire time?

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/TRLH3/1001380814?gameHash=69153079d3e6df79&tab=overview

no one on the other team underperformed

doiminat0r3600Oct 11, 20151 votes

What you're saying is confusing. First youre saying that a team lost purely because of viegar. Leading me to believe that since people are complaining about him that the team without him lost. But then later you say that the team with him was losing. That doesn't make sense.

EnosetcOct 11, 20152 votes

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What you're saying is confusing. First youre saying that a team lost purely because of viegar. Leading me to believe that since people are complaining about him that the team without him lost. But then later you say that the team with him was losing. That doesn't make sense.

i said they almost lost

CindikleOct 11, 20151 votes

Viegar's kit is not weak without his enemy AP damage on his ult. It's a bonus. Nothing more.

Viegar's getting 50-150 bonus AP from this change ALONE.

I'm not saying he's getting it from his Q itself. Just this one change. It's huge.

I'll agree the change was needed. But they should of cut the total bonus in half or something since he's getting more than twice as often.

As we saw in C9's first game. He brings a ton of team utility on top of his damage. And his AP spikes up fast when teamfights start to roll out.

Kat HeadOct 11, 20151 votes

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Oh no! He can one shot you with his ult. Maybe you should build some MR or maybe just don't play a mage when you are laning against him ().

You know a decent Viegar beats zed dont you ?

doiminat0r3600Oct 11, 20151 votes

you know a decent Zed will wreck a Viegar right?

Kat HeadOct 11, 20151 votes

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you know a decent Zed will wreck a Viegar right?

Nope, a decent zed cannot ult a decent viegar unless he wastes his stun. EVER.

doiminat0r3600Oct 11, 20151 votes

But... Zed becomes untargetable with his ult. If he just shadows closer then ults... its not hard to ult viegar.

Kat HeadOct 11, 20152 votes

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But... Zed becomes untargetable with his ult. If he just shadows closer then ults... its not hard to ult viegar.

Then you realize that if you drop your stun on yourself the moment Zed ults, the moment he reappears he will be stunned. You can choose to one shot him or walk away spamming laugh and lvl 5 mastery.

doiminat0r3600Oct 11, 20151 votes

But he can teleport back to his shadow. It takes a while for it to come up.

Kat HeadOct 11, 20152 votes