Ashe Buffs

WitchQueen Annie·Jan 12, 2018·3 votes·1,214 views

I would like to see some Ashe buffs.

She seems kind of weak compared to a Miss Fortune for instance.

What if she's changed so that she can get the full damage benefits from Crit like a Twitch or a Jinx? Would she be OP?

17 Comments

Lightning IJan 12, 20182 votes

She has a Yasuo'ish passive for crits, read it

WitchQueen AnnieJan 12, 20181 votes

Does it work out to her advantage?

Does a Twitch or an Ashe get more damage from building a single Crit item?

Lightning IJan 12, 20181 votes

Ashe gets perma--damage, less but permanent. Twitch gets a chance for double damage.

Works out for her advantage? Probably yes since you'll almost always build attack speed on Ashe so it evens out.

DestructoDaveJan 12, 20181 votes

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Ashe gets perma--damage, less but permanent. Twitch gets a chance for double damage.

Works out for her advantage? Probably yes since you'll almost always build attack speed on Ashe so it evens out.

If it even'd out, she wouldnt be 16 out of 17 in damage dealt per game out of all ADCs. She is weak, and her damage is pitiful.

Lightning IJan 13, 20181 votes

Look man, unless you're a godly Ashe player, play another adc. I don't mean to make her look bad but this is the meta and if you want to win you'll have to roll with it.

Sure Ashe may not be the best adc but she's not the only one.

I know so because I main Caitlyn. I main her because I play her exceptionally better than any other champion in-game and I tell you that any other adc I play that isn't meta will most likely lose to the meta.

DestructoDaveJan 13, 20181 votes

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Look man, unless you're a godly Ashe player, play another adc. I don't mean to make her look bad but this is the meta and if you want to win you'll have to roll with it.

Sure Ashe may not be the best adc but she's not the only one.

I know so because I main Caitlyn. I main her because I play her exceptionally better than any other champion in-game and I tell you that any other adc I play that isn't meta will most likely lose to the meta.

I said that in my first post in this thread. The point is are trying to rationalize her as being good; she isn't. Her damage is pathetic and a meta change won't fix that. Her weak damage is not being held back by the meta.

KaìjuJan 12, 20182 votes

I already asked for an update on any Ashe buffs, you probably won't see any because according to everyone, she's doing perfectly fine, even though she isn't and has been struggling for some time.

Harden StepbackJan 12, 20182 votes

no... we don't need anymore ADC buffs. Ashe is fine, we have to look at nerfing the other adcs to balance it out.

DestructoDaveJan 12, 20182 votes

Ashe ranks 16 out of 17 ADCs for damage dealt per game on champion.gg. She was the worst apparently and gained a spot at 16 this patch. She is in the bottom 3rd, if not 16/17, of every statistical category except assists thanks to arrow. On lolalytics she is placed in bronze tier; the absolute worst tier. Only one other ADC is down there with her; Lucian.

She is a bad ADC. Just about any other ADC you play is going to give you more wins in solo Q.

DestructoDaveJan 12, 20181 votes

Ashe is weak. I like her crit passive; its unique. She probably needs more damage back on her Q.

BonipherusJan 12, 20181 votes

She does get full benefit out of crits. Possibly more since item 3143 doesn't work against her.

WitchQueen AnnieJan 12, 20181 votes

I thought there was a mechanism where if Twitch builds IE, Twitch gets more damage from building IE than Ashe gets from it. Something about Ashe's Crit stats going into Slowing the enemy at the expense of damage?

BonipherusJan 12, 20182 votes

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I thought there was a mechanism where if Twitch builds IE, Twitch gets more damage from building IE than Ashe gets from it. Something about Ashe's Crit stats going into Slowing the enemy at the expense of damage?

Twitch gets more out of IE because he gets free attack speed from q and free ad from r which multiply the overall damage he gets out of the item.

Ashe is simply not subject to the rng of crits and instead receives the equivalent damage increase per auto.

for example: 100 ad with 50% crit chance over 10 attacks will yield 5 attacks that deal 100 damage and 5 attacks that deal 200 damage which results in a total of 1500 damage

ashe would instead deal 150 damage over 10 auto attacks which is still 1500 damage in total. the added slow is just a bonus.

WitchQueen AnnieJan 12, 20181 votes

So she already gets full damage value from Crit? Just that its evenly spaced out?

Then we'll have to buff her some other way?

BonipherusJan 12, 20181 votes

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So she already gets full damage value from Crit? Just that its evenly spaced out?

Then we'll have to buff her some other way?

She's probably fine. Honestly they probably just need to nerf other marksmen right now instead of buffing Ashe. Although if I were to suggest any changes to her it'd be to fix her ult hitbox (nerf) and revert her w cd nerf they previously implemented when essence reaver was the rush item (buff)

BonipherusJan 12, 20181 votes

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I thought there was a mechanism where if Twitch builds IE, Twitch gets more damage from building IE than Ashe gets from it. Something about Ashe's Crit stats going into Slowing the enemy at the expense of damage?

Twitch gets more out of IE because he gets free attack speed from q and free ad from r which multiply the overall damage he gets out of the item.

Ashe is simply not subject to the rng of crits and instead receives the equivalent damage increase per auto.

for example: 100 ad with 50% crit chance over 10 attacks will yield 5 attacks that deal 100 damage and 5 attacks that deal 200 damage which results in a total of 1500 damage

ashe would instead deal 150 damage over 10 auto attacks which is still 1500 damage in total. the added slow is just a bonus.

DontTouchMyBallJan 12, 20181 votes

What a pity, she is also one of my favourite ADCs.......... I love me some Ashe. The thing is except for landing a good Arrow, there's not such a significant difference btwn a high elo Ashe than a low elo Ashe as exist on champs such as Xayah, Kalista, Jhin, Draven, Lucian...

There is little skill expression in playing an ADC so simple as Ashe, other than good positioning and kiting skills which are also needed for any ADCs for that matter.