Nasus is problematic. Lets look to Paragon for help.

Rewt··2 votes·1,913 views

I just feel that nasus is a bad mechanic for league. Infinite stacking on any champ can be really frustrating to play against. The main problem is that they are able to achieve terrifying levels of damage without actually building damage. I had for a long time thought that nasus was annoying but honestly balanced, but with the changes to itemization and lethality tanks are being increasingly difficult to take down. I just played a game against a nasus that didnt build a single damage item. the closest item to a damage item they had was Iceborn Gauntlet. Funny thing. He out damaged his whole team.

Instead of just gutting him like a lot of people want to do i want to implement what paragon did with Severog. Severog gains his increased q damage at stack intervals. So in Nasus's case instead of 500 stacks = 500 bonus damage, 500 stacks = Tier 5 of his Q which comes out to 250 bonus damage. Each tier could be at 100 stacks and caps at 500. Also he can get another stat on his tiers to make up for the loss of his one shot potential. so at 500 stacks he will get 250 bonus Q damage as well as 25 armor and magic resist +500 hp. This will move him more towards being a tanky bruiser instead of an unkillable juggernaut of doom who one shots you without any damage items

Also on a side note. Tank veig is horrifying. If you havent played it, try it. its fucking dumb. you just farm for 30 min and then build full tank and you literally cant die and can still one shot people.

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King of Demons2 votes

He doesn't need any changes to his Q.

Rewt2 votes

being able to out Damage his teamates who were building damage without any damage items himself and all of this is made possible by his q.

Aparently doesnt need changes [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

King of Demons2 votes

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being able to out Damage his teamates who were building damage without any damage items himself and all of this is made possible by his q.

Aparently doesnt need changes [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

He really doesn't. He has potential, but it's near impossible to utilize it. The only thing he is good for is splitpushing and using W on an ADC to turn him useless (unless he has a QSS which means you are useless)

Nasus can build full tank and deal damage? Well, bad news: So does any other tank in the game. Ever seen what a Maokai does? Poppy? Nautilus? They can all kill you and they don't require to last hit with a spell for 20 minutes prior.

You are only looking at his spells and supposed strengths without thinking about his weaknesses. At the end of the day, Nasus is still the guy that can't do much in teamfights because he will not survive the focus fire of 5 people. A support that slow and cc you for days, all the while the mage and AD hit you mean that anything without a gapcloser is near useless unless the enemy messes it up.

Rewt1 votes

cant really say ive ever seen a poppy do 900 damage with her q while building full damage.

if you ever see that you should really record that shit and put it up on youtube and send me the link. id like to see that.

cause nasus can do it with all tank items.

Also any nasus player who has a brain can stack very easily. its just csing with an ability that gets bonus damage. its really not that hard

Rabid Husky2 votes

Bard Thresh Kindred also infinitely stack but the difference between them nasus and veigar is thresh is reliant on rng and bard has to go out of his way to get chimes which at intervals do something.

people want to say nasus is broken but honestly he's the most balance stack champion since he is completely reliant on last hitting with his Q, requiring patience and a decent amount of skill in farming with only his Q to get his stacks up.

kindred and veigar are both by far the worst stacking champions but on different sides of the spectrum. kindred is useless I have never since release had a game where kindred was a problem and they only got worse with nurfs, they're a prime example of what nurfing nasus hard will do making nasus even more nishe.

veigar is the other extreme even if he gets camped and bullied it's very possible for him to be a insane threat at 20 mins even if hes 0-10 and that was before the buffs. thresh and bard are both interestingly odd since they're supports, thresh gets ap and armor while bard gets a slew of buffs to his little meeps but both rely on rng and even miss positoning just to get them.

Darius Jayce Maokai Poppy Pantheon Teemo are all effective lane bullies to shut down nasus before he can even get 10 stacks

Talon Zed Ahri Azir Diana are petty good counters to veigar

instead of demanding "x gets changed/nurfed" maybe consider playing around the champion and being half way decent at the game

Rewt1 votes

you make it seem like last hitting is difficult........... its not. especially once you get sheen and like 30 stacks

Rabid Husky2 votes

when you have someone whose very agressive in lane and can outright deny cs it can be exceedingly difficult for anyone to farm. keep him from getting that sheen and 30 stacks he will have a hell of a time even killing a minion let alone hitting with Q, but nah just complain and don't adapt or learn just demand uneeded changes to a champion who is actually pretty balanced over all.

Rewt1 votes

i mean like when we have the 6/0 gp who shit on the nasus, but because we didnt devote all our resources to killing him every second he showed up on the map, by 30 min he had enough stacks to be dangerous even tho by that time he was 1/11/2.

the problem with nasus is that you have to devote so much just to keep him shut down, because he literally is a time bomb.

Didnt win by 40 min? (which is becoming exceedingly more common with the tank meta coming back) welp, nasus is at 500 stacks even tho you devoted so much to keeping him shut down and now he can just walk into your team and take off half of someones hp with an ability that is on a 3.6 second cooldown (thats if you run trinity, its shorter if you run iceborn, and with they way you build nasus they do about the same damage)

Rabid Husky1 votes

gp isn't a hard bully he can't deny cs like the others can sure he wen't 6-0 but he couldn't do anything to make nasus back off the farm other than put out a barrel that mind you GIVES 6 STACKS if nasus uses Q bad example there.

with a proper bully like Darius he can literally stand in front of the enemy minions and pull him w q and half health a early game nasus risking death to get even one minion.

even by 40 mins if you have a halfway decent team with even any cc then nasus becomes a liability if you group since his team fight potential is worse than camille's, and if he has 500 by 40 with alot of pressure then you and your team messed up somewhere; also the cd is the same on iceborn or trinity but with trinity you get the stack damage but doubled.

over all stacking champions are fun and healthy (with a few exeptions) since they reward patience and play for the late game instead of hoping for early leads

woodvsmurph2 votes

You forgot Sion . Infinite health. Isn't that so bs with warmogs? I mean the guy will become unkillable lol

Rabid Husky1 votes

I did forget about old sion didn't I lol sorry about that. the unkillable thing is actually a bit wrong hell I had a literally hour long game the other day as vi against him and even with 4000 hp he wasn't unkillable at all hell he even had warmongs and he ended up dying just as hard as his less tanky friends, he even got a nice camp going on with hec and he was significantly more unkillable even without GA. sion just has alot of health and a sheild that's really his only claim to fame, I would actually put him in the same catagory as nasus sure he can wreck your day but he can also be the most useless character without his stacks

woodvsmurph2 votes

Yeah, the "unkillable" part was sarcasm -- poking fun at the people who were claiming nasus is broken and unstoppable because or q stack.

woodvsmurph1 votes

Uh, the 25 mr/armor and 500 hp would more than negate the loss of 250dmg or would at some point of stacking. People could then start selling defensive items and go full riven mode -- building insane damage and relying on their kit (passive defensive stats from ult and q) to survive enemy damage. Sorry, but if you lose to a nasus, you probably deserve to lose. Either you picked an early/mid game team comp and didn't snowball and push hard enough to end early, or you picked a late game comp and don't know how to play your comp as well as the enemy knew how to play theirs.

Rewt1 votes

with the frequency of champs like ziggs as well as the numerous amount of tanks in the game its being very difficult to end the game before 40 min and by that point nasus will be farmed no matter what. most games that im jungling i camp the shit out of nasus and make him 0/4 by 7 min, but it doesnt matter. by 40 min he is a monster anyway. and as i said games are getting longer again so ending in the mid game is becoming extremely rare. Even stomps recently have been 30 min games.

Rewt1 votes

also if you read closely i said it would cap at 500 stacks

woodvsmurph2 votes

So... I played garen into nasus in ranked game. I got camped by kha, and I could still 1v2 trade 1 for 1 at 45 min while my team was ending the game. Meaning... nasus q is not at all broken provided your team drafts and plays appropriately. I mean a fed kha who would kill adc's in 2.5 hits, a stacked nasus, and they can't 2v1 garen without trading a kill back at 45 min. If that doesn't prove a team can beat nasus late game, I don't know what does.

AgeOfTheMage1 votes

champs like veig and nasus are unhealthy, imagine, you can build veigar tank and still one shot people

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