Okay Kog Maw is busted

BurningDolphins ·Sep 3, 2016·7 votes·1,156 views

So health and armor are completely useless ? With over 300 armor I was still getting killed as fast as the adc. With warmogs and sun fire I still was getting killed as if all I had was boots. Someone being able to attack that fast makes no sense. It's a free win for the late game. I literally couldn't even get close enough to Kogmaw to touch him once before he shredded all my armor and health. It just doesn't make sense that he makes entire builds useless. And if you actually do kill the lil fucker you get punished for it and he explodes on you. Really not a fun champ to play against

22 Comments

RebonackSep 3, 20165 votes

Hilariously enough, Bard works pretty well against Kog. Just save your Ult for the moment he pops his W. ALL his damage potential is bound to that skill and if you can make him waste it then he's skunked.

LadyRenlySep 3, 20164 votes

kog has quite a bit of magic damage.

he has so many weaknesses and is easily shut down its not even funny.

yeah, let him scale and don't punish him and he will abuse you the same way a fed kat does, but we're not nerfing katarina because she facerolls if you let her.

tbh pretty much every meta champion right now counters kog. adc, kog really struggles against lucian, ashe caitlyn draven and jhin. for support, leona blitzcrank thresh nautilus and taric. mid, anyone from zed, yasuo viktor lux kat fizz Kayle leblanc aurelion sol azir and ahri. jungle you have gragas lee elise nidalee shaco rengar kha zix and top lane, Jax Irelia Wukong Teemo Tryndamere Ekko Shen Malphite Maokai Kled and Gnar do a lot of work.

I have the highest mastery point with Kog, and I can safely say all these champs are absolutely cancer to face as Kog, and it is almost statistically impossible to not face at least two of any of these champions.

I'd highly recommend Ninja Tabi and Randuins/thornmail

IRyzeForNidaleeSep 3, 20162 votes

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kog has quite a bit of magic damage.

he has so many weaknesses and is easily shut down its not even funny.

yeah, let him scale and don't punish him and he will abuse you the same way a fed kat does, but we're not nerfing katarina because she facerolls if you let her.

tbh pretty much every meta champion right now counters kog. adc, kog really struggles against lucian, ashe caitlyn draven and jhin. for support, leona blitzcrank thresh nautilus and taric. mid, anyone from zed, yasuo viktor lux kat fizz Kayle leblanc aurelion sol azir and ahri. jungle you have gragas lee elise nidalee shaco rengar kha zix and top lane, Jax Irelia Wukong Teemo Tryndamere Ekko Shen Malphite Maokai Kled and Gnar do a lot of work.

I have the highest mastery point with Kog, and I can safely say all these champs are absolutely cancer to face as Kog, and it is almost statistically impossible to not face at least two of any of these champions.

I'd highly recommend Ninja Tabi and Randuins/thornmail

Did you really just compare Katarina to Kog? Katarina only facerolls if she gets ahead at some point in the game, has far less range, is far easier to itemize against, is wrecked by CC, and has even less utility than Kog. Plus she doesn't even maintain any real advantage over other champions after they all get 6 items, unlike Kog who is a 1 vs 5 machine regardless of how many items the other team has.

Not to mention all those top laners who claim "counter" Kog lmao. Most of them can't even get in range for a single ability before dying to him.

crippler38Sep 3, 20162 votes

play an assassin and hope for the best? other than that I'd say teemo and shen.

Blind him, give your adc dodge.

Besides that jax should definitely be able to blow him up in a teamfight.

Yasuo wind wall works on all adcs of course.

Braum helps, unbreakable makes the damage SURVIVABLE while the cc helps shut him down.

Other than picking someone who can get to and kill koggles quickly and easily, as in within .5 seconds so that the support doesn't peel for them (lulu shield an ult come to mind) like a kha zix or a shaco or a rengar (rengar less so because of the symbol) it really all comes down to making the game 'kill the kog maw or lose' like it is with a lot of hyper carries.

LadyRenlySep 3, 20162 votes

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Did you really just compare Katarina to Kog? Katarina only facerolls if she gets ahead at some point in the game, has far less range, is far easier to itemize against, is wrecked by CC, and has even less utility than Kog. Plus she doesn't even maintain any real advantage over other champions after they all get 6 items, unlike Kog who is a 1 vs 5 machine regardless of how many items the other team has.

Not to mention all those top laners who claim "counter" Kog lmao. Most of them can't even get in range for a single ability before dying to him.

Yeah, sure, in a vaccum where Kog always has "godlike peel" maybe, but for the top laners, Jax Wukong Ekko Shen Tryndamere Malphite Maokai and Kled have decent ways of piling onto him. Shen in particular is probably my most hated of the bunch.

I'm not going to argue that Kog is probably the easiest ad to 1v5 with, and has the most raw dps, I'm just trying to say that he's also the most easily countered.

BurningDolphins Sep 3, 20161 votes

Had all three of those and he didn't seem to notice I had armor lol

I hate my ADCSep 3, 20162 votes

I mean... you were a Jax and the only offensive item you built was a Bloodrazor. He was also fed like crazy... like 27k gold versus your 15k gold.

BurningDolphins Sep 3, 20161 votes

So should I have gotten more damage instead of getting tanky? Or just no point because he was so fed

I hate my ADCSep 3, 20164 votes

More damage would have been better yes. Your dodge will allow you to get the time you need to blow him up but with only Bloodrazor you won't be able to kill him in time before he can start puking all over you.

GULAG 4 USep 3, 20162 votes

and then...

A kha'zix has deleted a kogmaw!

Gary B EnkelisSep 3, 20161 votes

Do these items help item 3082 item 3075 item 3047 ?

I hate my ADCSep 3, 20161 votes

item 3082 and its upgraded items item 3110 or item 3143 are probably the only items that help against Kog'Maw. Besides that, anything that increases move speed to get out of his range or rush toward him faster to kill him is the way to go. Killing him is the appropriate way to deal with him. He's an immobile champion that rely entirely on its team for protection.

Most of his damage is % of health, mixed and he can bypass some of your armor and MR if he hits you with his Q.

Cloud273Sep 3, 20161 votes

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Do these items help ?

Not really, since a lot of his damage is magic. Kog'maw is like Kayle. You can't itemize against them and they're going to do a ton of damage regardless of what you build.

Gary B EnkelisSep 3, 20161 votes

I heard somewhere that item 3075 helps because he doesn't itemize much lifesteal but I don't know.

MunchCrunchLunchSep 3, 20163 votes

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I heard somewhere that helps because he doesn't itemize much lifesteal but I don't know.

you realize this item is useless in general. but even more useless against on hit because it doesn't interact with on hit damage

Gary B EnkelisSep 3, 20161 votes

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you realize this item is useless in general. but even more useless against on hit because it doesn't interact with on hit damage

That's why I said I don't know. And, uhh, it's not useless against on hit?? It reflects autoattacks....

Great OzymandiusSep 7, 20161 votes

The thornmail also reflects damage per auto attack as a function of the armor you've built. 5 autos per second can translate into, what, 300 magic damge per second to kog? That's a lot.

I tried a jungle kog game in normals (before I discovered it was a thing), and all my opponents built thornmail (including the enemy ashe... what, is this the tutorial?). I was surprised. Sure I destoroyed them very fast, but I died very fast too. They didn't need to put much damage on me.

KivolanSep 3, 20161 votes

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I heard somewhere that helps because he doesn't itemize much lifesteal but I don't know.

Umm wat

item 1419 and item 3153 are core items for him.

Honestly, people that say to shut him down early have either played with / against really bad Kogs or just haven't played with him at all. "Kill him" because peel and lifesteal aren't things. "Disengage once he wastes his W" because a bonus 185 range with the attack speed steroid and on hit % health damage doesn't mean you'll be at 25% health by the time you've even moved away or anything.

Thinking back on my match history for the last few weeks, I don't think I've won against a Kog or lost with one on my team. It's stupid champ design to have 95% of their power on one skill and all of their damage coming from on-hit abilities.

My solution: I continue to permaban him. I'd rather play against Yasuo.

Gary B EnkelisSep 3, 20161 votes

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Umm wat

and are core items for him.

Alright, thanks. That's why I said I don't know.

Handy Sandy Sep 3, 20161 votes

Shut him down early, he's like Vayne. You need to shut them down early so they fall behind.

zlumpySep 3, 20161 votes

Did you try and go in solo with little to no cc? If so kog is gonna gitcha. A good cordinated all in by a team can remove him really quick if they don't have an awesome protect the kog comp.

PermabannedGarenSep 3, 20161 votes

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So health and armor are completely useless ? With over 300 armor I was still getting killed as fast as the adc. With warmogs and sun fire I still was getting killed as if all I had was boots. Someone being able to attack that fast makes no sense. It's a free win for the late game. I literally couldn't even get close enough to Kogmaw to touch him once before he shredded all my armor and health. It just doesn't make sense that he makes entire builds useless. And if you actually do kill the lil fucker you get punished for it and he explodes on you. Really not a fun champ to play against

Build some fucking MR. Nearly half of his damage is magic damage.