Nerf or Remove Black Cleaver

Meserion·11/7/2019, 12:23:50 AM·5 votes·1,286 views

The real reason an all AD team can win but an all AP loses is item 3071. This item is a secondary source of armor penetration alongside Last Whisper that has a ton of useful stats for virtually every champion that uses it: hp, AD, cooldown reduction (20% when only one item its built from has 10% CDR), movement speed for chasing, and armor pen; frankly is a super overloaded item, and unlike Trinity Force, its extremely affordable early on.

If AP users had a magic equivalent of Black Cleaver, then an all AP team would also work, but it doesn't because AP is actually somewhat balanced in the item department.

There is a laundry list of broken AD items that have either have to have been reworked, nerfed massively or straight up removed: item 3071 item 3147 item 3124 item 3031 item 3161 item 3053 item 3087 (not listed anymore): sated devourer jungle item

By comparison, theres really only two AP items that I could name that has gotten nerfed or massively changed over the years: item 3128 and item 3151

**Point is, Black Cleaver needs a nerf, and what I would point to most is removing the armor penetration effect; the item already is overloaded stat-wise it doesn't need anything else. **

12 Comments

The thigh guy11/7/2019, 12:30:57 AM5 votes

Agreed. Black cleaver is so insanely overstated that every class can use it so long as they do any physical damage.

Zed. A champion who cannot fully stack it easily builds this item consistently.

HP Crookshanks11/7/2019, 1:03:52 AM4 votes

Change the passive something similar to item 3151 so assassins can't abuse it.

Verxint11/7/2019, 2:18:31 AM2 votes

Most high elo players think AP items are too good and MR items suck. I'm not sure how you get the idea that all those items are broken.

I mostly play bruisers and juggernauts and if anything BC is totally outclassed by TF despite the price difference

Nekorus11/7/2019, 1:07:38 AM2 votes

jesus man do you realize how much more busted mage items are than bruiser items? why are you even complaining about this item when you guys have item 3102 item 3157 item 3165 item 3285 item 3135 item 3152 and dont get me started on your bs glacial augument spam slow with item 3030 .

Pumpedhero11/7/2019, 12:54:51 AM2 votes

2 items nerfed or changed for mages.. when mages are literally broken, have way better AD counterparts, and theres alot more armor items then there are magic resist items, ur 1 void staff counters a full MR tank .-.??????

NemeBro11/7/2019, 2:16:28 AM2 votes

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The real reason an all AD team can win but an all AP loses is item 3071. This item is a secondary source of armor penetration alongside Last Whisper that has a ton of useful stats for virtually every champion that uses it: hp, AD, cooldown reduction (20% when only one item its built from has 10% CDR), movement speed for chasing, and armor pen; frankly is a super overloaded item, and unlike Trinity Force, its extremely affordable early on.

If AP users had a magic equivalent of Black Cleaver, then an all AP team would also work, but it doesn't because AP is actually somewhat balanced in the item department.

There is a laundry list of broken AD items that have either have to have been reworked, nerfed massively or straight up removed: item 3071 item 3147 item 3124 item 3031 item 3161 item 3053 item 3087 (not listed anymore): sated devourer jungle item

By comparison, theres really only two AP items that I could name that has gotten nerfed or massively changed over the years: item 3128 and item 3151

**Point is, Black Cleaver needs a nerf, and what I would point to most is removing the armor penetration effect; the item already is overloaded stat-wise it doesn't need anything else. **

"Only two" lol meanwhile item 3157 has been nerfed far below what it once was and is still strong.

DamSonWhUFndThis11/7/2019, 1:10:27 PM1 votes

are you ap main or tank main?[sg-miss-fortune]

boricCentaur111/7/2019, 2:13:13 AM1 votes

Guy if you don't understand how league works why are you ranting about a item?

Full ap teams are bad because of champions nothing else. Ap champions are mostly mids meaning you see them less top lane, a few times jg and basically never adc since there is like 2 to 3 ap champions that can do that and they're all either shit there or bad in general.

Also most ad champions don't stack it up much on a team they stack it on like one champion maybe team unless they're wukong.

Like the item is slowly getting replaced with triforce on my champions for a reason it's actually not that great. It's good but there are WAY better items in the game.

Also fun fact full ap teams have been meta without this item meaning you clearly HAVE NO FUCKING CLUE WTF YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT.

WoonStruck11/7/2019, 2:21:43 AM1 votes

item 3102 reworked item 3001 (Abyssal Scepter) reworked item 3128 Removed item 3152 (WotA) removed item 3285 Reworked item 3165 Reworked item 3151 Reworked item 3116 reworked+giga nerfed item 2065 removed+Reworked (preseason) item 3157 giga nerfed item 3040 reworked item 3174 reworked+giga nerfed