Zoe is not broken

z63XnLCMwX·Nov 24, 2017·11 votes·3,462 views

For those complaining about her, learn to sidestep. Just because a mage has more range than you (adc mains) and is able to do their job (burst) does not make them broken. The only thing Zoe has going for her is her Q. She is horribly weak against strong waveclear champions like Malzahar or in your face champion like Zed. Not only does she risk being bursted using her ult combo, her W is RNG reliant to the point it's probably used less in a game than other champion's ult. She is at best, balanced.

29 Comments

Dope SoloNov 24, 20178 votes

Zoe is another broken trash champion from a designer known for broken trash champions.

Shatter the SunNov 24, 20175 votes

I swear. These people seem not to understand what dodging is or playing inside the wave is. If you play any champion whose skillshots cant go through minions then you know the struggle that zoe faces. Her E is VERY slow and noticable. Her Q has a VERY long wind up if you want good damage from it. Her W is RNG. Sometimes she gets an ignite that she cant use early on pre-6 cause if she gets that close against most champs shes dead. Her ult does nothing besides make dodge and increase the range of her poke. She really only has 3 damaging abilities and and 2 are skill shots. She deserves to near one shot you if she hits her E cause not only can a minion block it but a champ not slept can as well.

z63XnLCMwXNov 24, 20174 votes

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I swear. These people seem not to understand what dodging is or playing inside the wave is. If you play any champion whose skillshots cant go through minions then you know the struggle that zoe faces. Her E is VERY slow and noticable. Her Q has a VERY long wind up if you want good damage from it. Her W is RNG. Sometimes she gets an ignite that she cant use early on pre-6 cause if she gets that close against most champs shes dead. Her ult does nothing besides make dodge and increase the range of her poke. She really only has 3 damaging abilities and and 2 are skill shots. She deserves to near one shot you if she hits her E cause not only can a minion block it but a champ not slept can as well.

Finally someone with reason. This is why in a Lux vs Nid lane, lux would always have the advantage. Nid needs to bypass the minions with her spears but lux can just E through the wave to poke.

Shatter the SunNov 25, 20174 votes

I just dont see how anyone cant understand that its not a viktor E or a lux E. There is so much counterplay to her kit that I would argue that the higher you go with her the harder it is gonna get. Thats why she has her ult so she can reposition her Q angle and extend the range but even that is blatantly obvious and can easily be dodged. Her AoE on her Q helps a bit but if you are standing on top of the minions she is trying to hit you through then you deserve to be hit. I think people are just looking at the damage and nothing else.

Hexs FortuneNov 28, 20175 votes

That's a great idea, lets lower her missle speeds to the point that they can be side-stepped

deadlychuckNov 24, 20172 votes

It doesn't matter. Her design (though ironically her theme too) is absolutely obnoxious.

Just like Yasuo Thresh Darius Kalista

She doesn't need to be actually broken to feel like she needs to be nerfed into irrelevancy.

ŚhunpoNov 24, 20171 votes

The fact that her W is RNG reliant is what makes this champion infuriating. Also, don't act like she's fair lmao, she has more level 2 burst than pre-nerf rework Katarina or pre-rework level 2 Leblanc. That and her damage is always super good no matter the situation.

z63XnLCMwXNov 24, 20174 votes

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The fact that her W is RNG reliant is what makes this champion infuriating. Also, don't act like she's fair lmao, she has more level 2 burst than pre-nerf rework Katarina or pre-rework level 2 Leblanc. That and her damage is always super good no matter the situation.

I'm sure Nid has more damage at level 2 than her and Nid is currently balanced.

ŚhunpoNov 24, 20172 votes

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I'm sure Nid has more damage at level 2 than her and Nid is currently balanced.

The difference being that Nid doesn't have a guaranteed spear lel

SOOMNov 28, 20171 votes

Hi senpai

ŚhunpoNov 29, 20171 votes

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Hi senpai

BrightWîngsNov 27, 20171 votes

I don't think you see this from a realistic standpoint no one is perfect you're not gonna dodge everything its just how it is but its the fact she can get free summoner spells without doing anything extra to get them im not the best player i will never say i am but i play smart i stay behind minions and that works the best for me my biggest issue is the W could they not have given her anything else? idk i feel that's a little dumb.

SavageKingpinNov 28, 20171 votes

Who else in fucking lol has a 6sec ult

goblin kingNov 28, 20171 votes

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Who else in fucking lol has a 6sec ult

her ult cant even do dmg its mainly used for repositioning your skill shots

LyndrisDec 2, 20171 votes

Kassadin does and gets to a 2 second CD at rank 3. Kog'maw also as an extremely low CD ult, not exactly sure on the CD of it though. And Anivia has a 6 second CD ult. Granted that is not many but they all do large damage when used right. Diana also deserves a mention because her ult has a refund tied to her Q, which at rank 5 has a CD of 6 seconds and it does damage too, can also be double cast which puts it on a ~20 second CD

Schrank HaderNov 28, 20171 votes

yea sure learn to sidestep a super tiny projectile with aoe impact from miles away coming at supersonic speed, oneshotting you, in a teamfight. good luck with that.

EcchiOtakuTMNov 28, 20171 votes

Supersonic? What type of low balling are you doing. League of legend characters are massively hypersonic minimally!

VindictiveNov 28, 20171 votes

If zoey isn't broken then explain the nidalee rework. The whole "sidestep" argument is a bad one considering faker played nid at his first worlds game and dominated with her.

Winek ChanNov 28, 20171 votes

I would rather buff her

PhDs NutsNov 28, 20171 votes

lol this thread is literally "Just dodge the skillshot"

KimutoNov 28, 20171 votes

Side stepping her cc is kinda hard. Especially ones that comes out of the fog of war... the range though walls are insane.

WolfChasesNov 28, 20171 votes

Shes bad against Zed? What the hech are you talking about? She's actually a good pick against Zed.

And your argument "Learn to side step" is not on point. Wast majority of us know to side step. Her damage is just broken for that amount of range and mobility. I don't even understand the ligic begind range on her E. Just broken and annoying.

MMMMM SQUIDWARDNov 29, 20171 votes

Yeah let's just learn to sidestep an ability larger than the inhibitor, and can go through walls , and can one shot someone with with a morello sheen powerspike. And let's not talk about her weak late game where she can beat me with her ahri w and her auto attacks. Fun and fair champion. I think you're right people are just bad and need to learn to sidestep

z63XnLCMwXNov 29, 20171 votes

lol. So much baddies can't side step a skill shot.

SamzaDec 2, 20171 votes

Samza

Diamond 2/1 MID/AD player

Anyone who thinks she is balanced is wrong.

The main reason for this is her (E) being able to go through terrain and have up to 1600 range. This ability is essentially a jhin w combo'd together with a viktor gravity field that is single target. This disgustingly long range stun ability also sets up for a spell that has a 6 second cooldown at rank 5, which you will have buy lv 9, and with cdr of lets say 20% that is 4.8 seconds. This Q ability has longer range than a Xerath Q, has a 165% AP ratio, procs her passive, and is very small and hard to see when in a teamfight. And because of her broken (E) mentioned before, it is certain to hit once for Season 3/4 nidalee spear levels or damage in area of effect. Also she is able to pick up flash shards, locket, redemption etc... for a one time basic ability use. Her ultimate is fine, and is probably her only non safe ability, as if used incorrectly or when beside an enemy champ, she has a destined spot that the enemy can easily cc or kill her from. But the issue with the ult is again, combo'd with her (E) and (Q) having her able to deal disgusting damage nearly guaranteed because of her (E) from around 1000 range, in other words a Xerath that is an assassin burst mage.

Another thing I would like to explain is that even though I don't play leblanc, I think her kit currently is fine, as her (E) is crucial to her kit, where for Zoe its just a bonus. You can Flash/Dash the chain after it hits you, but with zoe you are slowed then stunned no matter what, with a large circle even if it does miss from that range. Also, leblanc has to use 2 spells, one being a dash to clear waves, when zoe can one shot caster minons with 3-4 ranks in her Q.

Lots of people will still play her incorrectly and say the champ isn't broken, but I don't care about that, I care about high elo mids ruining games because of this April Fools level joke of a champion.

Lastly, If you think everything I'm saying is wrong, even Faker thinks she is "pretty unbalanced".

https://www.invenglobal.com/articles/3651/skt-faker-it-might-be-because-were-still-in-the-preseason-but-zoe-seems-pretty-unbalanced-right-now

PS. Not playing blind pick until she is hot fixed, Have a nice day summoners!