Serious question, how do you get your jungler duo to understand that you don't need to him to shove?

Wiggle Dat Butt·5/11/2016, 10:57:48 PM·2 votes·593 views

I duo with this guy, and everytime I get a kill (solo usually) he comes around and takes the entire wave while I'm sitting there trying to cs. I get the point of trying to get some damage on turret, but when I just killed the laner, and all my cooldowns are down, I don't appreciate him making me miss an entire wave essentially evening up the cs of my opponent and me.

I kill the enemy laner so I can go up on kills AND cs and snowball myself into a win. This guy talks about how challenger players shove into turrets, and I say well we're in plat and I will shove when my cooldowns come back up. I seriously want to meet up with the guy and punch him in the throat, and am about to block him from my friend list if he does it again. How do you deal with this?

14 Comments

Guyy Fieri5/11/2016, 11:40:10 PM4 votes

The quicker a wave gets pushed into the tower, the quicker you get to back and but and use your gold from kills. It also means the wave will die quicker, denying more xp and gold to your enemy. While ya it sucks sometimes, in the end, you still come out ahead of your enemy whether you got that farm or not.

Fondling Gems5/11/2016, 10:59:53 PM2 votes

Don't play with him if he doesn't work with you. That is part of being a jgler. Sometimes people just don't want to change.

KillerKell5/11/2016, 11:16:13 PM2 votes

Well, it's about denying the waves to your enemy.

You Kill, Push Wave, Buy.

Enemy Lane gets back before you, but has nothing to CS while you bring the next wave in.

IF you guys are pushing the Wave to Turret, he's doing it right.

Randomonium5/12/2016, 12:07:22 AM1 votes

Even if he takes the entire wave, which is very unlikely unless he is much better at last hitting than you, you also deny the enemy mid laner an entire wave (or more.) So at worst you wind up getting the gold advantage for the kill, you get an experience advantage for the kill and also for killing an extra wave, you get a lane reset, and you get a favorable back (and you probably also wind up with a greater CS lead too.) On top of this the jungler staying with you to push the wave protects you from the enemy jungler killing you before you back. Additionally, fast pushing the wave ensures you can get back to lane before your opponent can fast push the wave back and prevents you from losing CS/experience to the tower. Furthermore, even if the jungler takes a few CS that puts him also further ahead of the enemy jungler which means that if the enemy jungler comes for a counter gank your team will win the 2v2. It literally is a win-win scenario and I can't really see any reason to not push the wave. I'd actually be pissed at my jungler if he didn't help me push the wave.

Getting angry at your jungler for taking a few CS to push the wave to tower may be penny wise but its pound foolish.

Sohleks5/12/2016, 12:22:07 AM1 votes

Hey if I helped kill your laner I'd probably do something similar. Except I'd use my aoe when they're full so they're weakened for you.

And what.. he comes after your solo kills? Now that's wrong. He can lurk nearby in case you get ganked but he shouldn't show in the lane to push your lane because that queues the other enemy lanes they're safe from ganks, especially the far side of the map.

It can depend how tough it is to push though.

I wouldn't get worked up if someone did that though. If you need the cs though particularly to make an item breakpoint tho you should mention it. Even better the item breakpoint cost +75g for a pink ward

R31W1NG5/12/2016, 12:35:44 AM1 votes

I have no idea how to stop the IRS from taxing so ruthlessly. As is, your jungler friend doesn't understand the tax code. If he ganks, and gets you a kill, he should tax. If he ganks, and blows an enemy summoner, he should tax. If he pressures them off lane, he should tax. If he doesn't understand that taxing refers to last hitting minions, you should go gank a lane while he ignores etiquette and pushes yours. If he does nothing, he should go to the jungle or keep waiting to gank your opponent. If you don't allow him to tax, he should proceed to stay in your lane and keep eating your minions until an appropriate amount of revenue has been given to him accounting for the excess time he has wasted having to stay in your lane as you were unwilling to pay your taxes.