Last Whisper Builds, Please Nerf 45% AR Pen

Thurst28·4/29/2016, 2:32:31 PM·2 votes·1,107 views

Look, I get it. ADC's need kill power and sustain. But 45% is over kill. Then LDR give 15% Bonus DMG. And Grievous Wounds is basically the anti-Mundo. Quick search tells me that even my runes count as bonus armor. So even champs like Rammus and Braum who have over 100 base armor at 18 are crushed my this. Between this 45% Pen and Crit, a tank last about 3 sec in a 1v1 with an ADC when both are full build. Even when I am sitting on 350 total Armor and about 3500-4000 Health. These item take every Tank item I get and cut it in half. I don't find it balanced that one single item can nurf all mine by 45%. Then you add Battering Blows for another 7%, and say Youmuu's Ghost Blade for another 20 Pen. Here is some math.
100 Base Armor 100 AR Thorn mail 50 AR Sunfire 65 AR Ice born Gauntlet 20 AR from runes =335 AR w/ 235 as Bonus. 235 + 5%(Unielding) = 246.75 +15 (Legendary Guardian) Total 361.75

246.75(Bonus) - 45% = 135.7125 + 100(Base) = 235.7125 - 7% = 219.212 - 20 = 199.212

361 AR reduced to 219 with one item and a mastery. Not even much need for

But don't forget the 15% bonus because I have 3000 Health. BotrK for 6% more of my health. Crit at like +40%. You've now turned a big ass tank into a squishy mid laner who will last 2 seconds front line in a team fight because they don't have the sustain of life steal (which is annoying and op).

Keep in mind as well that only 21 champs have over 90 base armor. and 75 champs have 89.9 to 80. So that 100 base armor was generous. And any armor you add from masteries is cut by 45% as well.

I figure I'll get some ADC mains here crying. So let me say this again. I get it and ADC needs killing power and sustain. But when you take a champ like Udyr, Mundo, Zac and 1v1 them with Vayne, Cait, Luc, Kalista and they don't have to do much more then stand there and auto attack that's just wrong. That's if you can actually lock them down and do so with Luc speed boost, Vayne rolling every 2 sec, Kalista hip pity hopping around like fucking peter rabbit. Ok Ill stop here. Math maybe rough I redid it to add tank masteries in to be as fair as I can. Even though Mortal Reminder and LDsR is not.

Edit: I found the old Last Whisper. 40 AD, 35% Flat Pen applied first. So Lord Dominick's is way stronger then that in the situation above with 40 AD and it's full 15% over all DMG boost. And Mortal Reminders situation use to crush tanks with health regen. I am start to think people that are crying for the old last whisper haven't crunched the numbers to see that the new LD's is significantly stronger. Also considering most Mages build Rod of Ages, Rylia's, or Liandry's. Which will end up giving you the near full 15% DMG boost of LD's.

19 Comments

Shadow Gilgamesh4/29/2016, 2:41:15 PM2 votes

Tank main here.

The answer is no. LW doesn't need pen nerfs. Almost no one builds it till 5th or 6th item right now, so unless they're fed beyond belief, you have a LONG time to enjoy the tank dream of walking up to the ADC and blowing them away, especially compared to the OLD last whisper's 35% TOTAL armor pen that almost every AD champ picked up second or third because it was gold efficient against anyone with more than like 40 armor. If they opt to pick up the tank slayer item early, then they lose the dueling power against your ADC who picked up item 3031 item 3094 item 3087 item 3508 second or third

Powderkegg4/29/2016, 2:41:51 PM2 votes

That's the point though. Tanks have an advantage early-mid game but late game adcs are supposed to out scale everyone. If not then you just have full tank comps running around being un-killable, like season 6. Furthermore the old bork and last whisper where much more effective at killing tanks until they were nerfed to this garbage.

Drehirth4/29/2016, 2:55:53 PM1 votes

Trash

You get to be op and unkillable for the first 30 mins ish, so you cry that you can be killed once people get the anti tank items? Gtfo

Also you don't get lw items to ruin rammus or malphs day you get it so you can have a chance to damage them at all

IWrath4/29/2016, 3:04:00 PM1 votes

Well you could just stop trying to 1v1 them.

Ricky Spanish DC4/29/2016, 3:48:11 PM1 votes

You are obviously new at this game if you have to look that stuff up. Tanks are way too strong now, and nobody even plays mundo anymore outside of bronze. They are buffing grievous wounds because it was too weak. Armor pen is necessary because tanks are so powerful in this meta, and it is the only way they can touch them.

Ralanr4/29/2016, 2:34:53 PM1 votes

That's what is supposed to happen.

If more people bought these items then tanks wouldn't be as OP as people complain they are.

fSBMHn443r4/29/2016, 4:13:33 PM1 votes

You that its BONUS armor pen right? Armor pen and bonus armor pen are 2 different things

Poske4/29/2016, 2:36:24 PM1 votes

Funny boards

Most of people are complaining how trash tier lw items are .. and then we have mundo player who got countered funny xd