Wow Sona only took 50% of my health with Q AA

Ghost Bride·May 7, 2015·5 votes·953 views

Absolutely unviable.

16 Comments

TarynMay 7, 201512 votes

So I decided to do a little bit of research for you 'cause I love when people complain about the most nerfed support in the game actually trying to be relevant.

Assuming you're talking about the match where you were Morgana mid against a team with Sona support (a victory, by the way thanks to your Twitch and Mundo I presume) that's where I'll be getting my information.

You use straight 21/0/9 masteries, which is wonderfully offensive but lacking in the defense department. Your runes have some magic resist and armor however. Now in contrast, the Sona is using standard utility support masteries (0/9/21) but is using straight AP/magic pen runes. So you aren't exactly being set up to defend against her poke.

Now you got Zhonya's first at 16 minutes. So we still aren't protected against Sona's magical damage, (which I'm going to point out, she dealt 6.9 damage to champs the entire game, actually less than your Janna did) and let's not forget that approx 90% of that damage is magical. You bought magic resist at around 30 minutes, long after Sona would have lost her effectiveness since she didn't build any AP other than Spellthief.

So, I'm going to take a wild guess at this event. This probably happened early in the game, as from experience without AP a Q+AA (even a powercord, since you didn't specify I'm just gonna assume that's what you meant) barely tickles even a full glass marksman at late game. You were built full glass AP and were hit by a squishy poke support (Did you even bother to auto her, I can promise you'd have done more damage than she did) and your jimmies got rustled. Or it's just an over exaggeration of you taking like 25% health (which is possible and not obscene) and just thinking LORDY LORDY SONA BURST OP I WAS JUST 100-0 NERF like everyone seems to do when Sona hits them. I'm gonna assume it's the latter.

And just as a final side note, anyone who mains Morgana (who is arguably one of the strongest supports right now) doesn't really have a right to complain about the strength of Sona.

I hope I helped.

EDIT: Something that I didn't take into consideration that was brought up by Nasreth is that Sona was supporting a Kalista. Chances are that Kalista was bound to Sona and as such Sona would be dealing %HP damage to targets marked by Kalista due to her W. I just wanted to put this up there as well in case his comment gets buried. Thank you I totally missed that!

And also I just want to point out due to the discussion happening below me that I don't believe that Sona isn't viable, but she certainly isn't complain worthy nowadays by any means.

IcyPepperMay 7, 20154 votes

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1814744385/224820297?tab=overview

I can verify this.

Sona dealt 6.9k damage to the enemy team, and while Janna (from the other team) dealt 7.1k damage. Yes, Sona who is supposed to be a poke support and be a little bitch in bot lane and poke people who don't build magic resist (wow, funny how that works. You don't build health or magic resist, you take more magic damage. Go figure) was out-damaged by a disengage support.

Ghost BrideMay 7, 20151 votes

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So I decided to do a little bit of research for you 'cause I love when people complain about the most nerfed support in the game actually trying to be relevant.

Assuming you're talking about the match where you were Morgana mid against a team with Sona support (a victory, by the way thanks to your Twitch and Mundo I presume) that's where I'll be getting my information.

You use straight 21/0/9 masteries, which is wonderfully offensive but lacking in the defense department. Your runes have some magic resist and armor however. Now in contrast, the Sona is using standard utility support masteries (0/9/21) but is using straight AP/magic pen runes. So you aren't exactly being set up to defend against her poke.

Now you got Zhonya's first at 16 minutes. So we still aren't protected against Sona's magical damage, (which I'm going to point out, she dealt 6.9 damage to champs the entire game, actually less than your Janna did) and let's not forget that approx 90% of that damage is magical. You bought magic resist at around 30 minutes, long after Sona would have lost her effectiveness since she didn't build any AP other than Spellthief.

So, I'm going to take a wild guess at this event. This probably happened early in the game, as from experience without AP a Q+AA (even a powercord, since you didn't specify I'm just gonna assume that's what you meant) barely tickles even a full glass marksman at late game. You were built full glass AP and were hit by a squishy poke support (Did you even bother to auto her, I can promise you'd have done more damage than she did) and your jimmies got rustled. Or it's just an over exaggeration of you taking like 25% health (which is possible and not obscene) and just thinking LORDY LORDY SONA BURST OP I WAS JUST 100-0 NERF like everyone seems to do when Sona hits them. I'm gonna assume it's the latter.

And just as a final side note, anyone who mains Morgana (who is arguably one of the strongest supports right now) doesn't really have a right to complain about the strength of Sona.

I hope I helped.

So i decided to look at your icon and lack of even at least a gold badge cause i love when delusional low elo sona mains try to defend their brainded main.

Ha.

IcyPepperMay 7, 20154 votes

Do you know what ad hominem is?

He pulled out objective stats (the damage Sona had done versus even your Janna), and to pull the rank card so you don't even have to touch upon them completely invalidates your argument.

Ghost BrideMay 7, 20151 votes

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Do you know what ad hominem is?

He pulled out objective stats, and to pull the rank card so you don't even have to touch upon them completely invalidates your argument.

Hello low elo Sona main #2

Are you gonna ignore the other person's "And just as a final side note, anyone who mains Morgana (who is arguably one of the strongest supports right now) doesn't really have a right to complain about the strength of Sona."? This is totally relevant amirite?

Im not going to argue against someone that's telling me i should build according to what the enemy support picked.

IcyPepperMay 7, 20152 votes

Hello low elo Sona main #2

I don't main Sona, and my rank should not affect numbers that were shown on your stats.

Are you gonna ignore the other person's "And just as a final side note, anyone who mains Morgana (who is arguably one of the strongest supports right now) doesn't really have a right to complain about the strength of Sona."? This is totally relevant amirite?

Didn't say that was right, I just said they pulled out objective numbers. They obviously had their bias, but you did as well except you didn't supply objective numbers. Kinda skews the argument toward them.

Im not going to argue against someone that's telling me i should build according to what the enemy support picked.

You don't build defenses, you're going to feel the damage. Pretty simple concept. You going to ignore that your Janna dealt more damage than the enemy Sona? Does Janna need to be nerfed now? She's obviously stronger than the Sona who took 50% of your health that made you come to the boards and complain.

Ghost BrideMay 7, 20151 votes

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I don't main Sona, and my rank should not affect numbers that were shown on your stats.

DJ sona icon.

Didn't say that was right, I just said they pulled out objective numbers. They obviously had their bias, but you did as well except you didn't supply objective numbers. Kinda skews the argument toward them.

You don't build defenses, you're going to feel the damage. Pretty simple concept. You going to ignore that your Janna dealt more damage than the enemy Sona? Does Janna need to be nerfed now? She's obviously stronger than the Sona who took 50% of your health that made you come to the boards and complain.

He pulled out numbers from a game where sona was repeatedly disconnecting. Do you expect someone that isn't present to do damage? Sona does much more damage than Janna, this is unarguable. Although I wouldn't mind Janna nerfs yres.

IcyPepperMay 7, 20151 votes

DJ sona icon.

So what of it? I like the skin, so I bought it. Doesn't make me a Vayne, Jinx, Fiora, or a Leona main. And the icon's pretty. That's a pretty big leap to a conclusion, you should have at least checked my match history. Do you ever bother fact checking, or do you just look at the surface of things (Player's rank and icon instead of the data. Oh, who cares if Sona dealt less damage than Janna in the entire game, she took 50% of my health once in a combo so she must be worth posting about!)

Since that Sona might have been disconnecting, I'll just pull some statistics for a fair assessment. Link.

Sona is a sustain and poke support mage champion with ranged, so I wager that she's going to deal slightly above average in terms of damage (which doesn't mean she's OP, she's going to poke a lot compared to the likes of Leona, so she's going to deal more damage overall in a game). According to this... in ranked games Plat+ she deals slightly more damage than average in a very small margin, and heals a lot more. Makes sense, she doesn't have pre-6 hard cc like Leona or Morgana. She's not a terrible champion, I'd say she's a slightly above average support in the right hands. Good win rate, not too overbearing, and a pick rate that doesn't crowd out any other supports.

In comparison, Morgana support has a lower win rate but a much, much higher pick rate. Deals slightly less damage than Sona overall (makes sense, having more cc, although she trades sustain for the adc with dat spellshield).

Now what's the point of me saying that? I just wanted to give Sona a fair assessment. She's pretty viable if you ask me, but there's really no point in posting a thread with a title that comes across as QQing just to insult people who actually enjoy playing her. She's just average. And if she deals 50% of your health with a Q aa combo (not going to even bother pointing out that's her only damage spell outside of her ultimate, whereas you could just spellshield it in the first place, dark bind her then pool her for much more than that, maybe even throw in your ultimate while you're at it. Oh wait, I just did. I can make Morgana sound OP too).

Ghost BrideMay 7, 20151 votes

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So what of it? I like the skin, so I bought it. Doesn't make me a Vayne, Jinx, Fiora, or a Leona main. And the icon's pretty. That's a pretty big leap to a conclusion, you should have at least checked my match history. Do you ever bother fact checking, or do you just look at the surface of things (Player's rank and icon instead of the data. Oh, who cares if Sona dealt less damage than Janna in the entire game, she took 50% of my health once in a combo so she must be worth posting about!)

Since that Sona might have been disconnecting, I'll just pull some statistics for a fair assessment. Link.

Sona is a sustain and poke support mage champion with ranged, so I wager that she's going to deal slightly above average in terms of damage (which doesn't mean she's OP, she's going to poke a lot compared to the likes of Leona, so she's going to deal more damage overall in a game). According to this... in ranked games Plat+ she deals slightly more damage than average in a very small margin, and heals a lot more. Makes sense, she doesn't have pre-6 hard cc like Leona or Morgana. She's not a terrible champion, I'd say she's a slightly above average support in the right hands. Good win rate, not too overbearing, and a pick rate that doesn't crowd out any other supports.

In comparison, Morgana support has a lower win rate but a much, much higher pick rate. Deals slightly less damage than Sona overall (makes sense, having more cc, although she trades sustain for the adc with dat spellshield).

Now what's the point of me saying that? I just wanted to give Sona a fair assessment. She's pretty viable if you ask me, but there's really no point in posting a thread with a title that comes across as QQing just to insult people who actually enjoy playing her. She's just average. And if she deals 50% of your health with a Q aa combo (not going to even bother pointing out that's her only damage spell outside of her ultimate, whereas you could just spellshield it in the first place, dark bind her then pool her for much more than that, maybe even throw in your ultimate while you're at it. Oh wait, I just did. I can make Morgana sound OP too).

This isnt sona qq, this is sona-mains-that-claim-sona-needs-buffs qq

IcyPepperMay 7, 20151 votes

First, not how you get the point across. Your OP is incredibly vague and comes across as Sona qq.

Secondly, not all of us (people who play Sona, not necessarily Sona mains) think she's fine but needs tweaking. Honestly, I don't like her Q or passive. It does a fine job of poking, but I don't think a support should be too aa reliant and as much as I don't like to subscribe to the "make everything a skillshot!" mentality, I think Sona would be more fun for everyone if her Q was like Vi's E and held two charges but was a skillshot (and got range as compensation).

In other words, some of us think she needs a minor rework, not buffs or nerfs. As for the times Sona got nerfed last season, it was the sheer number of times she got nerfed that pissed people off. Some of us just wish they would just do it all at once instead of holding back (Kassadin and Veigar say hello). Came off as excessive, really.

ZmuecatMay 7, 20154 votes

I guess I'm Sona main 3, and while I don't believe she's unviable but I do believe that not taking into account what everyone on the enemy team builds is a bad move. Do you not build any MR when Annie is coming from bot? What about Velkoz?

Granted, you also could have just spell shielded the damage and followed up with killing her outright. It looks like, by what I've read, she was in fact fairly squishy still, but I also don't know where when and how it got to the point where an early game Sona was in a position to attack you. Did you roam bot and not know how Sona generally works? Did she roam mid?

TarynMay 8, 20151 votes

I mean if you really want to have fun you could look at match histories and see that I tend to play with Gold and Diamond and Platinum players frequently, since my friends are much higher ranked than I am. Considering that I tend to play against Gold 1 and Plats when this happens, it's almost like you and I are the same. Just pretend that's the case and maybe you can read my post with more objectivity.

Regardless I'm pretty sure that this thread has a lot of good points in it already and I've already made my case. I also added an edit including a point made about the fact that a Kalista was also present against you (which would add to Sona's burst with %HP damage) in case you're interested.

LuxxumMay 7, 20152 votes

As a sona player, her damage early is extremely strong, especially if you have a weak early game. If she builds damage and gets ahead, then by mid-late game she is capable of one-shotting carries.

However, if you have good engage in just about any form then you will just wreck her in laning phase as she is the 2nd (I think?) squishiest character in League, and has no escapes except for her e, which is practically useless early. If you focus her first in early jungle ganks she will die extremely quickly. Also, her w costs a ludicrous amount for the amount it heals, so if you poke her and her laner down, then she will run OOM very easily.

she has extremely mediocre utility compared to other supports as a lot of it is tied to her powerchord, and if she wants to use it for utility she will be giving up a lot of her damage. She is more or less a more utility oriented annie (in support terms), so if you get her behind she will be next to useless as almost all she brings is damage except for her ult. She will then be forced to build support and deal minimal damage.

Also, remember that after she took that 50% of your health, if she doesn't have ult, she can do NO damage for another ~6 seconds, and you should abuse that. In team fights, it isn't a bad Idea to focus her if she is positioned poorly, as Sona can clean up fights very well.

Drunk RummateMay 7, 20152 votes

10 bucks says she only did that damage because she Proc'ed Kalista's W passive at the same time.

I doubt he's lying, he's just dumb and doesn't realize what Kalista's W does.

RedCycloneMay 8, 20152 votes

Sona deals poke damage, big poke damage if you build AP ultra squish It's kinda the only thing she does well now, her heal is ass for laning when it matters and her E is hilariously bad, her ult is also good but it's her only hard cc on her kit, it needs to be good for a support