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Zed loses lane. Goes Afk at 6 minutes. -20 LP.

Rivuo··97 votes·4,194 views

I dont understand why dont we just make it so the person who leaves takes 25% of everyones lost LP. Why am i forced to lose that much LP because i dont have a 5th teammate.

Yeah. Some games are winnable 4v5 no doubt. But why be put through such a harsh test? I dont understand just let the zed take 5 of my lost 20 LP and i'll be happy. That way we can stop people from actually going afk everytime they fuckin feed.

And no its not a ''DC''

He said ''GG gl getting promoted''

''A summoner has been disconnected''

Alright. now there is a 3-0 brand and a missing teammate.

''But my premade will abuse this''

How. Losing 40 LP instead of 20 cant be abused. You are literally losing half a division at that point.

EDIT: For the people saying ''amg this will be exploited'' Then everyone in the premade will have to lose equal LP. So if your teammate dcs you are taking a heavier responsibility for that if he was your premade.

There now you have to actually be cautious of who you play with.

55 Comments

P0IS0N IVY15 votes

He could also just afk instead of dcing for the same result to avoid the punishment you're suggesting.

WolfBV4 votes

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He could also just afk instead of dcing for the same result to avoid the punishment you're suggesting.

Yes, he could.

specter4241 votes

He could but that isn't a reason to not improve it.

Quepha1 votes

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He could but that isn't a reason to not improve it.

All ideas for solutions being obviously abusable or logistically impossible is actually a really good reason to not try to fix something. "It's better than nothing," is not a phrase that universally applies.

specter4242 votes

There will always be a way around things but if there is one less thing then it is worth the 5 minutes it would take to implement. People aren't always clever enough to bypass those things and sometimes they can't. What if someone has a power outage? They aren't going to be afk at wolves with a sunfire. You are an idiot if you think it is not worth improving the currently awful system in any way possible.

Keylight XD1 votes

Too bad. Because outage happens so often it might just demote you.

Rivuo1 votes

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All ideas for solutions being obviously abusable or logistically impossible is actually a really good reason to not try to fix something. "It's better than nothing," is not a phrase that universally applies.

You're right. Dont fix anything. Let everything be shit because theres no point

  • You
Quepha1 votes

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You're right. Dont fix anything. Let everything be shit because theres no point

  • You

What I actually said was that a bad solution to a problem can be worse than simply waiting to come up with a better solution. The degree of your misinterpretation of my post is dramatic.

P0IS0N IVY1 votes

It's really not an improvement then.

mikemcparty1 votes

He could also just run down lane and feed mid multiple times. What is your point?

Schàdenfreude9 votes

Guys beware, here comes the "This is a bad idea because it can be abused" posts.

Ariel the Cruel5 votes

And the "can lead to increased toxicity" posts. Both of which are perfectly viable.

If people want to punish afk's, hat's fine. But the system should not reward the other players.

Baby Ghoul8 votes

I agree, people who leave should face harsher punishment LP wise.

A lot of people I've noticed look at where they're at, and choose to be bratty and DC because they can afford to lose 18-20LP. It makes it harder to justify leaving when the number reaches around 40.

This could stop most tilting as well. You would know that the person that purposely made your game difficult is going to lose way more LP. That's justice.

Yeah they could still AFK, but I want their time to be wasted just like mine is. They shouldn't be able to close the client and come back an hour or two later. These people don't really get in the way of me climbing, they're just so incredibly annoying and such a waste of time. This solution could stop a lot of them from doing that. Nothing is ever going to get rid of people that go AFK in games 100%. That doesn't mean we do nothing.

Also, never call out summoners on the forums like another poster mentioned. Shaming will get you in trouble, and you have a good idea anyways. It isn't necessary.

EndlessCycle4 votes

If you're good enough to climb to a higher division, you'll get through this and move your way up.

MunchCrunchLunch3 votes

yeah but that doesnt change the fact that its wasting your time and you don't get to try. at least make it less worse.

FioraWillCarry3 votes

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If you're good enough to climb to a higher division, you'll get through this and move your way up.

No doubt but this shit happens more often than you think and couple that with the amount of times we have a horrendous feeder that doesn't afk but stays and feeds continuously. It makes the climb a lot harder than it should be.

I have two solutions. For afks, the game should be changed to allow other players to fill the role through some kind of afk queue. And for feeders, kill gold should be lessened, perhaps halved so smart players have a shot at carrying even though they are teamed with feeders. I think these ideas would drastically reduce the level of toxic behavior as these behaviors are born of frustration with negative elements we cannot control.

Gnatsuu1 votes

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No doubt but this shit happens more often than you think and couple that with the amount of times we have a horrendous feeder that doesn't afk but stays and feeds continuously. It makes the climb a lot harder than it should be.

I have two solutions. For afks, the game should be changed to allow other players to fill the role through some kind of afk queue. And for feeders, kill gold should be lessened, perhaps halved so smart players have a shot at carrying even though they are teamed with feeders. I think these ideas would drastically reduce the level of toxic behavior as these behaviors are born of frustration with negative elements we cannot control.

Not sure if someone already replied to you or if I am even reading it write addressing the feeding kill gold, but for every death without getting a kill your gold value drops. If you die enough times without getting a kill, you can become worth less gold than a minion. Once you get a kill, then your gold value resets to 300.

FioraWillCarry1 votes

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Not sure if someone already replied to you or if I am even reading it write addressing the feeding kill gold, but for every death without getting a kill your gold value drops. If you die enough times without getting a kill, you can become worth less gold than a minion. Once you get a kill, then your gold value resets to 300.

It takes quite a while for your value to drop to that of a super minion which is about 50g. I think it's about 7 deaths. Before that point, kill gold is worth multiple minion kills. Even if your CSing is on point, a champion that has been fed 7 kills is still gonna be ahead by a large margin, and when your team mates have exhausted their value, the enemy team is free to take objectives while you're busy trying to farm up some kind of lead so you can stop them and maybe push back. Reducing kill gold would make it easier to catch up fed enemies in gold. As it is now, when you get a 1 kill per 30 second game, the only thing you can do is ff. You are never gonna be able to farm enough to catch up before they take your nexus. The only exception is when you have a tanky team and some wave clear where you can stall the game but that is rare.

EpikFeeder1 votes

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If you're good enough to climb to a higher division, you'll get through this and move your way up.

Funny how the most realistic comment gets downvoted hard.

EndlessCycle1 votes

People are angry, and are presenting incoherent arguments about something that can't be fixed without creating another problem. They spit out a thread that basically just says "RIOT FIX DIS!" and expect it to be something they just flip a switch on without understanding repercussions of a "fix" nor presenting valid alternatives in their thread for Riot to use.

Troll for Trump4 votes

The core of the problem is premades even existing in ranked.

They're removed next season though. For the most part.

Mirkhail3 votes

Because it give a reason to flame somebody, you are not doing so great? maybe you gave first blood or you lost the early game? somebody could easily start flaming pretending you are losing the game so you should leave because it was all your fault, he lose less lp if you would do this so it makes sense someone would want that. I don't think most people would leave for this but it would still make the game a worse experience.

Gary B Enkelis3 votes

Report the leaver, or rely on leaverbuster, and if they keep up such negative behavior soon they won't be playing any games. So you and some others have some bad games but they lose the ability to play on their account.

That's how it should be...

Immortal spax1 votes

Lol, ^ this guy is positive as fuck, good luck in life my man.

Gary B Enkelis1 votes

Thanks... Good luck to you too...

Votable Jester1 votes

Yeah being a happy, positive person is so unfortunate.

ParappaTheKappa2 votes

Try submitting this in the player behavior & moderation forum, you might get a more thought out response. You may also want to mention the summoners name (check your match history) I'm most likely giving bad advice, but you never know until this gets more attention. I know where you're coming from as far as the LP loss goes. While this is a team game, every single player has an impact on the game. My question for you is this, in the end, did you take anything new away from the game? Lol

notice me Sin pi1 votes

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You may also want to mention the summoners name (check your match history)

boards does not permit calling out a specific player aside from well-known streamers and pro players, n i think that's why u got downvoted

YourQQ2 votes

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I dont understand why dont we just make it so the person who leaves takes 25% of everyones lost LP. Why am i forced to lose that much LP because i dont have a 5th teammate.

Yeah. Some games are winnable 4v5 no doubt. But why be put through such a harsh test? I dont understand just let the zed take 5 of my lost 20 LP and i'll be happy. That way we can stop people from actually going afk everytime they fuckin feed.

And no its not a ''DC''

He said ''GG gl getting promoted''

''A summoner has been disconnected''

Alright. now there is a 3-0 brand and a missing teammate.

''But my premade will abuse this''

How. Losing 40 LP instead of 20 cant be abused. You are literally losing half a division at that point.

The reason is simple. It can be abused HEAVILY by bullying a player to afk. Likewise, a duo+ can just decide one of them will take the hit in lost games while playing on a smurf so that the other doesn't have to. It's a huge gaping hole for exploitation. The most I can see that they can fairly offer is some sort of pause feature for a minute or two to allow someone time to reconnect if it wasn't intentional.

yoshi27902 votes

honestly if people would do that they'd eventually get permabanned

It Hertz When IP1 votes

Good. Now the people bullying are leaving a clear chat record of Negative Attitude, (likely) Offensive Language, etc.

This is what the mute button exists for. They start flaming you with the intent to bully you into AFKing, you happily mute them, and then you can safely report them at the end of the game knowing that they likely provided all the rope Riot needs to (metaphorically) hang them.

As for your duo argument... all Riot needs is to start dropping bans on AFKers in ranked faster/harder than they are currently. Duo tries that twice (Say), suddenly that smurf account is out of commission for a while. Make it so that it wastes more time to dodge/AFK than it does to just finish the game.

Frius2 votes

does reporting feeder or afk even work? they just move in base

TFBaam1 votes

OP premade can abuse ez cuz of second accounts how did u think remake was considered abusable in diamond +

Toru Itai2 votes

if there was true soloQ this wouldn't be a problem.

Rıots Bad Client1 votes

I think it would be really neat if Riot implemented a system so that you can choose to ignore a game and the next game if you win that game, the last game will be erased(no LP loss), but if you lose, You take both loses. (Little things like you can't use the ignore in your series)

arc951 votes

DYNAMIC LP DYNAMIC LP DYNAMIC LP

your team has an afk, someone goes 0/9/1, 4 solo deaths in 6 minutes? WHY is everyone losing the same lp... realistically the SINGULAR player lost the game(dont give me but but you should be good enough to carry... ya league doesn't work like that anymore) so have them lose an elevated amount of lp and the rest losses a reduced amount ....change that -20 to a -10 and suddenly it isn't as bad

N Pelosi1 votes

Just your typical assassin player. Nothing to see here.

Chimp Joker1 votes

I really like you idea. However the one big problem I see in it is that it can be somewhat exploited. If anything, it would make boosting a little bit easier. What if you were in Diamond 1 and you decided to help carry your bronze friend. Your friend is about to lose a match and you decide to go afk. While you lose extra LP, you friend loses a little less LP.

mikemcparty1 votes

Right and eventually you get demoted from diamond. I don't think boosters are willing to do that for their bronze friend.

EpikFeeder1 votes

A loss is a loss. Whether you had a troll crybaby mid or a close game you lost because of outplays. Your argument is literally saying that other are holding you back. Try seeing what YOU can do towin those close games that can go either way. We all get an equal amount of trolls......what this game needs is more harsh punishment for ranked queues....otherwise, what is the difference from normal? AFK's and feeders shouldnt lose more LP, they should get 30 day bans from ranked or something.

Quepha1 votes

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How. Losing 40 LP instead of 20 cant be abused. You are literally losing half a division at that point.

Because the premade has a patsy willing to take the LP hit so the rest can, on average, gain rank. They can do that until there is a full league of difference in their ranks, resulting in multiple divisions of gain for everyone else on the team.

HideOnUrMomsBush1 votes

''But my premade will abuse this''

How. Losing 40 LP instead of 20 cant be abused. You are literally losing half a division at that point.

VERY easy. I have multiple accounts (4 total) and say I want to duo boost a friend by smurfing in gold. I could log into account 1 and duo with my friend. If we're going to lose the game, I will just leave so my friend doesn't lose LP. In fact it is a good thing I lose extra LP on account 1 because I want to stay in gold and not climb to Plat. If I get reported, I could just play a bit solo without getting reported, or just switch to one of my many accounts and do it all over again.

Bard R Friday1 votes

Why should someone whose Internet goes out get punished by losing half a division? Even if they then stop playing ranked for the rest of the day because they know their internet might not work, that's a huge punishment.

Knalxz1 votes

The report should be filled and if the person did DC or just actively avoid playing the game all other players should be compensated. I.E.

Someone you're not grouped with get's reported and the report actually files meaning that they receive an bonus LP drop while you are given for the sake of this example 5 LP. Unless the match is a victory to keep the flow of LP properly regulated the person in question will still get a kick to the nuts.

You can't tell me that a football team wouldn't get a rematch if a fifth of the team just decided they're going to go into the stands and eat hotdogs or if they all randomly suffered from heart attacks. Honestly I think they'd suspect the opposite team of foul play.

ƒoes1 votes

Honestly I've had the same philosophy as you about this.

I was in my series for Silver 5 and in the very last game I was playing (2W/2L), both ADC and support (who were in a premade) disconnected at around the 10 minute mark. We lost that game, and although I only lost 10 LP and my series, I was still so fucking salty. It doesn't matter how nice those two people were, they deserved to get banned for at least 2 days each.

Having a DC on your team should not make you lose any LP if you lose the game, and winning with a DC on the enemy team would give you a win and grant you half of the LP you would have gotten. It's just not fair to basically hand over your LP on a silver platter to the enemy team as they gloat how easy the game was because your ADC disconnected.

Keylight XD1 votes

Signed in just to upvote! Smart solution to a problem that should had been resolved seasons ago.

I salute you sir, good night!

Strawberrycocoa1 votes

I don't think there is any way, mechanically, to tell the difference between a player who disconnected and a player who just alt-F4d and quit.

Joseraph1 votes

Unless they say "Fuck this" and quit

Boulderox1 votes

i agree intentionally leaving needs harsh punishment, but then again sometimes real life comes first, and there has been times where I have had to leave ranked games because i had an emergency, it sucks and i hate it, i want to help but sometimes things are out of your control.

EcchiOtakuTM1 votes

"I dont understand why dont we just make it so the person who leaves takes 25% of everyones lost LP. "

I don't think you worded this to mean what you think it means xD [slayer-pantheon-popcorn]

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