% Penetration

ScyPhan790··1 votes·272 views

Someone please explain to me why having only a item 3135 and no other magic damage built does tons of damage to enemies that have little to no magic armor? Yes it is % penetration, but there is no other magic damage built to then deal damage through that penetration. Also, 40% of a small amount of magic armor hardly takes away any of that magic armor because there's so little of it.

Secondly, why isn't there anyway to counteract % based penetration? Yes it is primarily built to counteract tanks who have a lot of magic armor/armor built, but you have champs like Zed who just builds item 3035 and ends up doing dumb amounts of damage to other assassins/mages who don't usually build armor. Or he'll usually start with item 3134 because again most assassins/mages don't armor, and then when they start building item 3157 he just has to build item 3035 and the same as above mentioned follows.

Granted I don't play this game in a competitive/ranked scene, but I'd like to hear other people's insight or opinions on why % based penetration works the way it does and/or why there doesn't need to be any counteractions for a counteraction.

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Ok sure but why2 votes

Because everyone has a shit ton of base damage as it is, and a Zed that kills you with a Last Whisper could have killed you just as easily with only a Long Sword if you don't have any armour, because of the high base damage

ScyPhan7901 votes

Except whenever I've been in the other shoes, I will hardly do any damage with a similar if not exact build.

Most commonly, I'll have all this ap built and have a item 3135 and they have like 1 mr item and I can only chip away at them.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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Except whenever I've been in the other shoes, I will hardly do any damage with a similar if not exact build.

Most commonly, I'll have all this ap built and have a item 3135 and they have like 1 mr item and I can only chip away at them.

then that tells me that your rune choice is poor or that you are trying to compare tomatoes with apples thinking that every champion will react the same against the same champion with the exact build

ScyPhan7901 votes

Didn't say anything about reactions. This is strictly build to champ comparison and how the shit works. What would be the difference between Electrocute and Dark Harvest runes? They're both in the Dominance tree and we both have the triumph sub set.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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Didn't say anything about reactions. This is strictly build to champ comparison and how the shit works. What would be the difference between Electrocute and Dark Harvest runes? They're both in the Dominance tree and we both have the triumph sub set.

Electrocute's damage after applying 3 stacks is: 50 - 220 (based on level) (+ 50% bonus AD) (+ 30% AP)

Dark Harvest's damage after collecting a soul thingy from large minions, large monsters or champions is for the next 20 seconds (300 if you manage to get 150 souls at least): 40 - 80 (based on level) (+ Total Soul Essence) (+ 25% bonus AD) (+ 20% AP)

Yes they are both in the domination tree but one has better base and general scaling than the other. You would need quite a bit of souls in order to deal the same damage as electrocute... also not every champion can make use of electrocute that effectively

Ok sure but why1 votes

Tbh I think that's just a personal thing

I mastered all the Riven combos but still feel like I do 0 damage with her when I try; same with Kog'Maw, but with less combos

ScyPhan7901 votes

I don't see how it's a personal thing cause I can clearly see myself doing hardly any damage.

Just this past game I built item 3029 item 3151 item 3135 item 3020 as Malzahar and I did hardly anything against a Volibear who built item 3742 item 3065 item 3083 item 3111 , even to a Fizz who built item 3100 item 3089 item 3135 item 3020 I did hardly anything to him.

Here's the damage I did overall

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