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Zilean idea!!!

Tenryushin·5/19/2015, 10:49:15 PM·2 votes·666 views

Hey Balance Team :)

I have an interesting idea for Zilean's passive and W.

The passive can stay like that at 8% aura xp gain (I still think 10% would make s slightly more noticeable impact but I guess it would need to be tested out) At level 18, the Summoner's magic weakens and his Chrono Dysplasia starts to come to the front. He starts to earn a new pool of xp (post lvl 18) starting from 0 xp that just accumulates but converts 1 or 2% of that xp into AP. As he experiences all timelines his power increases but as he has trouble focusing on the present timeline he has trouble regaining his mana, he gets a 50% or 75% basic mana regen penalty.

His W would remain as is but would have an additional passive component to it:

2/3/4/5/6 %XP gain to self

This would make that early game solid support to late game burst mage transition pretty smooth.

Late game he would get a bit bursty, thing he has historically struggled with late game as his damage falls off. Also he would need to better manage his mana or itemize accordingly. If he builds too much AP and no sustain he will have super burst but will need to go to base more often. I think it creates a nice balance.

6 Comments

khorney5/19/2015, 11:31:27 PM2 votes

yes but again to me its not worth it unless you have another sorta of stun becuase its to hard to land for what you get. i would rather have his q to how it used to be and ff the stun

khorney5/19/2015, 10:51:19 PM1 votes

change his q to how it used to be ill gladly trade the hopeful aoe stun to the more definite q damage

Erockandroll5/19/2015, 11:43:06 PM1 votes

The only thing I would really argue that he really needs. Is that his Bombs need to be more reliable. The Acquisition range needs to be increased. And Prioritize champions.

Is it possible to give it a variable travel time based on the range, I can't even reliably self cast it.

Lil Soybean5/20/2015, 12:04:42 AM1 votes

Any passive that punishes you is generally going to be a terrible idea. Any passive that takes away mana regen from an extremely mana-hungry support in exchange for making his unreliable poke do a slight bit more damage is even more of a terrible idea.

No offense. I mean, it's neat. But you'r nerfing one of his crucial stats, mana regen, on a champion who is already ridiculously mana-hungry, to add some extra unreliable damage. If you wanted it to be a net buff, they could simply buff the Q's AP ratio and leave his passive alone, but that still almost certainly wouldn't fix his huge problems.

Basically, he needs a new passive entirely, and one that isn't 'compensated' by nerfing him even harder. He needs net buffs badly. One of the most important thing to look at right now is that his 1-6 is basically defined by 'if I get hit by a single CC ability at all, I am guaranteed to die, period.' One hook, one pull, one bind, etc. etc. He's one of the squishiest champions in the entire game, while champions like Thresh, which provide more safety, more engage, more utility, more peel, etc. etc. also get to be tanky because reasons.