Kindred Nerf and Movespeed

GOL Undecayed·Jun 27, 2016·4 votes·1,242 views

I'm sure that the changes to Kindred's "w" will go through with the removal of the heal at 100 stacks and although I'm sad about this change can we please have something to compensate for this, mainly to do with her base movement speed, being at one of the lowest at 325, meaning when you get boots you're just as fast as the majority of champs who have base MSs of 340 and up. yes the heal is going to hurt her sustain and her general performance in the jungle making her an easy target and with only her q as a mediocre escape / kiting tool, a lot of junglers will walk over her. I find myself buying boots of swiftness to compensate for her abysmal movement speed, not only that but with the nerfs to the item itself, its not even a good buy, but it's essential, also I've tried taking keystones such as Storm raiders to deal with the extremely low movespeed. In the recent patches she has received nothing but nerfs and Riot isn't really toning this down or making adjustments so that she is still relevant. With these upcoming changes, unless you are a God and have mained Kindred since day one you're going to suffer a lot in the jungle. For myself who only picked up Kindred about a 2 weeks ago, I was enjoying the experience, experimenting with different build paths and whatnot, it was exciting. This is somewhat of a buzzkill to be honest and I hate the fact they're targeting Kindred, weakening her when the competition is so much more broken and unfair Imo. If they don't do anything I'll just have to jump back on Kha'zix, which will be a shame in my eyes as I'm trying to come out of my comfort zone and try different champs.

Please upvote so Riot can at least consider making a few buffs not for damage but mainly concerning utility.

19 Comments

The Yetii RiderJun 27, 20162 votes

"A lot of junglers will walk over her" - Good.

Also, Trinity Force gives you move speed, both passively and when you attack targets. Try rushing that instead.

Rustling BushJun 27, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4f6uvE9O,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-06-27T21:36:14.403+0000)

"A lot of junglers will walk over her" - Good.

Also, Trinity Force gives you move speed, both passively and when you attack targets. Try rushing that instead.

but its expensive as fuck

The Yetii RiderJun 27, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Summoner Grey,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4f6uvE9O,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-06-27T21:39:55.934+0000)

but its expensive as fuck

Yes. Most champions don't get to buy an item that fixes all of their innate problems (low damage, mana costs, squishiness, low MS, need CDR) unless they spend a lot of gold.

Kindred's strong early game is their problem. Now with these nerfs they will become a late game carry jungler that gets invaded and destroyed. As it should be.

Crowe StalkerJun 27, 20161 votes

Her scaling relies on her stacks. If she can't get stacks, she can't scale and remains irrelevant the entire game.

Crowe StalkerJun 27, 20161 votes

Kindred has some of the worst Base AD in the game and shitty scaling, no sane Kindred would ever get that on them. Plus that price on a Jungle Item? I really doubt you've even approached the Jungle for anything besides stealing Krugs or Gromp when you lost your bot tower.

In fact she's literally the Second Worst Champion for Base AD at level 18, only MF is worse.

The Yetii RiderJun 27, 20161 votes

Yes. With my username I clearly have no experience jungling at all. Honestly, if you're going to insult me you could try one that isn't so obviously factually implausible.

Anyway, this is a gutting. It's intended to be a gutting. Kindred is getting nerfed after like four other nerfs, this one will be the nail in their coffin. So you either adapt or you don't play them. And I'm looking forward to most people selecting the latter.

LostFr0stJun 27, 20162 votes

She did get compensation for the w changes, her W now has att and ms speed debuffs vs monsters. She also has her Q which enables a lot of movement other junglers don't have access to.

Crowe StalkerJun 27, 20162 votes

The fact that the slow only applies to monsters in addition to the Armor Nerf is a ridiculous nerf to her early game and makes First Mark next to impossible to secure if it's not a Scuttle Crab or if you don't the equivalent of either a Caitlyn Blitzcrank bot lane or a Nautilus top lane...

**Oh, and may God rest your soul if the enemy Jungler picks Khazix **

The Yetii RiderJun 27, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jhin n Tonix,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4f6uvE9O,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2016-06-27T21:53:08.224+0000)

The fact that the slow only applies to monsters in addition to the Armor Nerf is a ridiculous nerf to her early game and makes First Mark next to impossible to secure if it's not a Scuttle Crab or if you don't the equivalent of either a bot lane or a top lane...

**Oh, and may God rest your soul if the enemy Jungler picks **

All of this is a good thing. It means that there's actual risk involved to picking a marksman in the jungle.

Crowe StalkerJun 27, 20161 votes

Because Roaming Supports are totally viable, I mean, look at Bard! All we have to do is leave Bot Lane solo.

They could at least have left her armor alone ffs.

The Yetii RiderJun 27, 20161 votes

Her armor needs to be lowered because people who are experts at kiting in the jungle were clearing while taking no damage. Now, you HAVE to kite with her, and if you don't you might die. If you do, you're still at half health and in no shape to go invading at level 3.

Crowe StalkerJun 27, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Yetii Rider,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4f6uvE9O,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-06-27T22:29:04.417+0000)

Now, you HAVE to kite with her, and if you don't you might die. If you do, you're still at half health and in no shape to go get that thing you need to be relevant at literally any stage of the game.

Fixed.

The Yetii RiderJun 27, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jhin n Tonix,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4f6uvE9O,comment-id=000100000000000000000001,timestamp=2016-06-27T22:40:13.999+0000)

Fixed.

Um, no. It just means you actually need to gank lanes instead of invading in order to get stacks. You know, use the Lamb part of Kindred's passive instead of the Wolf part.

The Last BalladJun 28, 20161 votes

Yes, leaving the bot lane solo for af few minutes is terrible(meanwhile, my sister gets a double kill as Tristana as I go mid to drop off a shrine or to invade with the jungler ¯\(0◡ 0)/¯ ) Just absolutely horrifying.

Also if you are leaving bot lane solo for most of the game, you are doing it wrong.

GOL UndecayedJun 28, 20161 votes

I went into a game with a Kha'zix for the first time as Kindred and I thought I could invade him... We lost that game ;_;

LostFr0stJun 27, 20161 votes

Here is the context. I apologize for not linking it sooner; I needed to dig it up. https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/4o91xy/615_pbe_update/d4at8jf

Crowe StalkerJun 27, 20161 votes

Did you... actually read the comments underneath?

LostFr0stJun 27, 20161 votes

Yep, I've also tried her new clear myself on the pbe. They're a normal jungler now; the attspd and ms on jg monster debuff might as well be dmg reduction. It doesn't take much to kite with them now, and people were already getting triforce (for ms) or mallet (to slow ms) on them to make up for the ms difference vs other champs. The changes in 6.11 already addressed the stack problem for unlucky Kindreds. The context linked was for the current pbe change.