What if you added grievous wounds to 
? It's then a true AD counter. Not only does it return damage to sender, but it also would stop them completely negating any returned damage through even just a 900g 
Atm it's pretty much impossible for a tank to actually build against an AD champion unless said tank has built in armor scaling damage.
Best KhaZix Void2 votesvampiric scepter doesn't negate thornmail damage.
and
no, it isn't.
The Voids Call1 votesSorry or health scaling, because 
R passive is totally balanced.
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Sorry or health scaling, because
Kench's R passive has nothing to do with how much damage he can tank.
The Voids Call2 votesit's got nothing to do with the damage a tank can take, it's about how a tank can't out DPS the healing from lifesteal, and has no real options to stop lifesteal.
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it's got nothing to do with the damage a tank can take, it's about how a tank can't out DPS the healing from lifesteal, and has no real options to stop lifesteal.
if you're playing a tank for DPS you're doing something extremely wrong.
The Voids Call1 votesi'm not playing a tank for DPS, my point is that in a "balanced" world, wouldn't a tank's damage mitigation reduce a carries dps to that of theirs. While a carry who has less damage mitigation takes almost full dps from the tank. After factoring in any type of CC.
Adjusted for differences in health pools. tank takes 50% damage, deals 10% max health dps.
carry takes 100% damage, deals 20% max health dps.
After the damage mitigation of the tank, each should die at the same time.
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i'm not playing a tank for DPS, my point is that in a "balanced" world, wouldn't a tank's damage mitigation reduce a carries dps to that of theirs. While a carry who has less damage mitigation takes almost full dps from the tank. After factoring in any type of CC.
No, it wouldn't. The point of a tank isn't to do damage, it's to soak damage, in a "balanced" world, The ADC is the paper to the Tank's Rock, ADC should always win in a duel against a tank because tanks aren't meant to win duels, they're meant to win fights.
Adjusted for differences in health pools. tank takes 50% damage, deals 10% max health dps.
carry takes 100% damage, deals 20% max health dps.
After the damage mitigation of the tank, each should die at the same time.
where the fuck are you getting these numbers? and why do you think it should be this way? the tank doesn't reduce anyone's damage, he's capable of taking more of it than the carry, that doesn't mean he should just be allowed to run people over because he's tanky, the trade off there is the fact that they don't do damage.
I don't think you know what a balanced world actually is otherwise you wouldn't be spouting this nonsense.
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesit's about how a tank can't out DPS
You have a poor understanding of what tanks are supposed to do
Mecha MaIphite1 voteslife steal and thorn are meant to negate each other
The Voids Call1 votesIf only they did.
Sure it does if the champion is specifically targeting you, though it doesn't work if they have 
or 
and minions around. Or even just switch to minions for an attack or two.
I'm simply trying to extend it's negating effectiveness to those items.
ModWulf Helhammer1 votesItems for tanks to deal with AD champions: 
as well as any item that gives them health.
Thornmail isn't supposed to kill people from attacking you, it's supposed to make it easier to survive them attacking you. Even if all it does negate lifesteal, that means that any extra damage you or anyone else does to you sticks, and it does its job
PhantomGG1 votesdeadmans plate addition Steraks Gage addition Sunfire cape buff Titanic Hydra insta replacement addition
Still not enough?