Strange, huh?
And nearly all these "super broken" supports dropped in winrate...
But hey, what do I know, it just happened exactly as I said and got downvoted for...
And A Real Hiero7 votesIts not like the braindead enchanters got a big nerf on their shield duration, now did they?
Illabethe2 votesThat really has done nothing at all to impact their play. Because they are 90% worthless without a proper laner.
I know you love your "Shields and heals are evil" standpoint (even though many AD/AP burst champs can easily do TWICE a support/adc's HP in one combo), but that wasn't what was carrying supports. Carries were. The heals/shields maybe added a 3% margin to their performance above a some 48% Baseline.
I play "Enchanters" as well as their counters. Here's what I see:
What players who don't play enchanters lack isn't a balanced playing field; They have that. What they lack is a respect for the kits.
The same players often also have problems vs Assassins and mobility champs, because again..... although those kits are the opposite..... they don't respect them.
When you wait for the right opportunities, and build the right things, even the best "enchanter" is absolutely garbage. And has been. Even pre Censer nerf Season 7.
Frontline Fury4 votes
some of the most blatantly overpowered champions in league of legends after the last couple patches
Illabethe1 votesPyke is not OP. I suggest you play him sometime. He legitimately has teams he cannot win against. And he can't survive long games, his Ult can be disrupted about 20 different ways, his cooldowns prevent heavy playmaking, and he generally can't survive hard in team fights either.
Also, if his team feeds, he becomes absolutely irrelevant.
If you think he's OP. You just don't know how to play against him yet.
AlienPrimate1 votesPyke is my favorite support to lane against. He is so useless when playing against a tank support and I main Taric. I welcome him to grab me with his Q and give me a free gap closer.
OtterlyLost3 votesI like the blatant ignoring of the enchanter support nerfs that followed the patch after the ADC nerfs. ;) good bias there.
Rins Thigh Socks3 votesShield duration nerfs
Heal/Shield power nerfed
huh... I guess you're right it was only adcs. :)
ChargeItDownMid2 votesI felt kind of bad for supports when they were being scapegoated for marksmen being so overpowered. We went through 7 seasons worth of different supports with marksmen being overpowered and somehow supports were blamed for it every damn season XD
Cpy Payst2 votesI would like to argue that supports are still very powerful. pre-patch 8.14 gold funneling was almost impossible to stop because in a 2v2 early game you could not challenge scuttle or invade because you would lose the fight with your mid against their support mid. Supports hardly need any gold to be relevant and the gold generation they receive from the support items is pretty good. Riot nerfed Adc's to try to change the meta, and they nerfed supports because of the ardent censor meta last season. The real problem botlane is that poke control mages as supports are running rampant down there and the lane priority they generate is insane.
Illabethe1 votesYou have no idea what you are saying. "Supports don't need gold to be relevant." Lmfao. What are you even smoking.
Although a "budget" support kit on a small group of specific champs is inexpensive, Support is by no means a cheap role nor one that performs adequately with the "budget" kit.
Their income has been reduced 3 ways in the last year: Gold items. Minion Lockouts. Loss of Bounty gold.
Since then, you'll notice support picks are leaning toward those who can:
But..... about the only "non support" who is actually notorious in the role is , and that has nothing at all to do with gold budgeting or his actual viability as a "support building support."
It has to do with :
V8.1 Blaze Damage per stack increased to 4% of target's maximum health from 2%.
He was running 52% when they implemented this buff!
Unlike other mages, he actually doesn't need items, because his passive stacked is carrying him.
But if you try to play 
with a Budget build, I will walk ALL OVER YOU.
And then you need to compare the upcoming cost of an adc to 
.
/
Costs 13,700
Upcoming adc build:
Costs 14,400.
Now..... adc sells 
for 180g, so her cost is really
14,220.
That's 520G different than the Zyra Support.
Yet the adc has the fundamental gold earning method. Zyra has to hope for kills, and constant fights to feed
And you might try to argue that Zyra has a larger impact than an adc, but that's not actually true Mid -Late game, especially if an adc gets to or 
. The build I mentioned has no options for BOTH Grievous Wounds AND Mag Penetration, so Zyra either has to earn more and sell her support item, or she doesn't get both. Or she has to sacrifice CDR and thus damage. Adc gets it all in a single item, and actually gets True damage. Thus, Zyra falls off while the adc keeps scaling.
On Nami, AP has ALWAYS been more effective than the active item build.
FireDrizzle1 votesyou should add 270g too the adc carry cost, not take away 180.
Illabethe1 votesActually good catch. Doesn't really change the convo though :S.
Malix Farwin2 votesI dunno and 
are pretty OP down there atm because of their ridiculous poke and base damage.
Mizaya2 votesRelative to a few years ago? Yes they were broken as hell before nerfs, and still are a lot better than before even now.
ADCs nerfs affects supports, as in ADCs got nerfed hard to compensate for the power creep of supports lol.
Kurt Hyzan1 votesI still do believe 
are strong, but not unbearable
Biggest issue was that marksmen used to stand still and right-click, and you couldn't reach them with all the peeling, plus they dealt incredible damage. Now you struggle to reach them, but you don't get 100-0'd while trying to
SithesisLord1 votesCompared to the ward bots they were, yeah, sure supports are OP as heck.
Compared to current league, they´re actual, functional champions.
Games are now 5v5s, not 4v4s+a ward bot for each team.
Ýisus1 votesSince the adc nerf I dont really see many supports in my games anymore. Mostly just kill lanes bot.
SwiftKitten881 votesSince the adc nerf I dont really see many supports in my games anymore. Mostly just kill lanes bot.
thats becuase there is nothing a support can do to save an adc from champions like 
or 
bot
MFTORANK11 votesI don't understand why they gutted AD's like that to begin with but ok :)
Illabethe1 votesBecause in Season 6-early 8 adcs could 1 shot, pull off regular 1100-3k Autos? Had resetting abuse of their skills to turn fights into 1v5's?
You try to win vs a Jinx who 2/0's before level 6. 90% of the time you will lose because she can always kill one person, set off Excited, and then 1v5 an entire team while they can do nothing to get away or kill her as long as she has vision of them. Even vs Assassins, when she's Excited she literally 1 shots so hard under the old meta that when they try to dive her she kills them before they arrive. And all that damage translates into major heals too...... hence why Jinx and Draven are generally super toxic (because the large chunk damage = large chunk heals)
JackMcSnipeyz1 votesDid you miss the patch where every enchanter support was nerfed hard? On the same patch every shield item was nerfed aswell?
Hmmmm🤔
SwiftKitten881 votesits 
he is broken... what else is new... nothing to see here.. moving on
[slayer-jinx-unamused]
sad part was i originally thought it was only that made him an issue, then i saw him 100/0 my adc at lvl 2
i was wrong
for the record... he didn't have at lvl 2
BestPudgeNA1 votesits
Things that never happened
SwiftKitten881 votesdon't worry, the ADC buffs on pbe will make people cry supports are op again..
becuase ... i dont even know, i cant followed messed up shit like that anymore.
