balanced champ.
Vistha Kai14 votesLet me tell you where you failed, OP.
The Bíg Ticket3 votesAhri main?
Vistha Kai7 votesIndeed.
Over the course of 3 seasons I played 752 ranked games with my main. And 90 with Ahri.
JustMyBassCannon6 votesAhri is a ranged assassin that has...
Actually, she's a Mage first, and an Assassin second. So it makes sense that she has a lot of AoE damage and one good hard CC.
The Bíg Ticket1 votesAnd burst damage...and sustain...and 3 escapes....what ohter mage OR assassin has all of that?
JustMyBassCannon1 votes[{quoted}](name=Danielas Kitten,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4c1NE7Gn,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2015-07-28T16:49:17.331+0000)
And burst damage...
*looks at every single mage ever*
and sustain...
Some champs have it, some don't, big deal.
and 3 escapes....
One escape that can be used three times in quick succession, all of them traveling about the same distance as Flash.
what other mage OR assassin has all of that?
Does it matter if Ahri's the only one with "all of that" in her kit?
The Bíg Ticket2 votesSwain has no burst damage, Malzahar has no burst damage.
What mage has sustain in lane? 1. Ahri. 2. Swain whose costs tons of mana and requires him to be in melee range.
So she has 3 additional flashes?
Yes..that is the whole point of why she is so op.
JustMyBassCannon5 votes[{quoted}](name=Danielas Kitten,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4c1NE7Gn,comment-id=0003000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-28T17:21:52.242+0000)
Swain has no burst damage, Malzahar has no burst damage.
W and Q respectively (a) deal burst and (b) permit them to land more damage.
They have the least burst among mages, sure.
What mage has sustain in lane? 1. Ahri. 2. Swain whose costs tons of mana and requires him to be in melee range.
Some champions have sustain, some champions don't. Archetypes literally do not matter when it comes to whether or not they'll have sustain.
So she has 3 additional flashes?
For her ultimate. Instead of having, say, guaranteed instagib burst, massive AoE wreckage or team-wide utility.
Yes..that is the whole point of why she is so op.
She has different advantages than other champions. If you don't know what you're doing and you're a fucking idiot, then yeah, Ahri will kick your ass.
The Bíg Ticket1 votesLol...ok. Guess every champ has burst then
Ahri is the only midlaner that has sustain besides Swain
Yes she has 3 flashes that do 450 plus 90 percent AP to 3 enemies each...seems fine.
No, she doesn't have different advantages than other champions, she has ALL advantages you could have on a champ, especially on a midlaner. Tell me one weakness in her kit.
JustMyBassCannon1 votesYeah, every champion has some amount of burst. How much it is depends on their kit.
I could easily argue a number of mid-laners, but you'd immediately say, "Oh, they're not traditional mid-laners" or some equally antiquated bullshit.
That's mediocre damage for an ultimate.
Severe CC vulnerability, focus on skill shots, can't afford much in defensive items because she has average base damage and relies on her scaling to stay relevant late-game, can only CC one opponent in a fight, can't control her targeted spells, can't really handle multiple opponents.
So, yeah, weaknesses. She has 'em.
The Bíg Ticket1 votesSo what midlaner has sustain except Ahri and Swain who is not even played.
Mediocre damage that will be dealt to 3 people.
Every cha,mp is vulnerable to cc except Irelia, GP and Olaf. Why would you buy defensive items on a mage/assassin? List of assassins who can hard cc one or more opponents in a teamfight: 1. Ahri. 2. Diana (3. Ekko but he sucks) She has 2 skills hots rofl who are both not hard to land. Second part of Q is not easy to always hit, not gonna deny that but you can hit multiple people wiht it.
So her weakness is she can't handle multiple opponents? Ok.
EndlessSorcerer1 votesSo what midlaner has sustain except Ahri and Swain who is not even played.
Ignoring Shields:
Including Shields:
Every cha,mp is vulnerable to cc except Irelia, GP and Olaf.
CC affects champions to different degrees. Most tanks don't particularly care if they are CCed while squishy carries can be instantly blown-up after they lose control of their character.
Why would you buy defensive items on a mage/assassin?
To survive the lane or win trades. Using Katarina and Diana as examples, if you don't rush Seeker's Armguard against a heavy AD champion (i.e. Zed, Talon) or Abyssal Scepter against a heavy AP champion (i.e. LeBlanc, Syndra), then you may have issues.
List of assassins who can hard cc one or more opponents in a teamfight: 1. Ahri. 2. Diana (3. Ekko but he sucks)
So her weakness is she can't handle multiple opponents? Ok.
Her only movement ability (which she relies on for chase or escape) is her ultimate, which isn't available until level 6 and which has a 110s to 80s cooldown without CDR. Her burst damage is lower in comparison to many other mages and assassins, which compensates for her mobility and CC.
Stellafreyja4 votes** Ahri is the only midlaner that has sustain besides Swain
**
Her passive at 100 stacks gives her hp when using her E
Her Mantra W heals her.
Innate spellvamp from passive
Has a heal in human form
Not often used for Mid, but also has a heal.
You're argument is invalid.
The Bearded Bard1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ace of Eden,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4c1NE7Gn,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2015-07-28T18:45:35.913+0000)
** Ahri is the only midlaner that has sustain besides Swain **
You're argument is invalid.
Also, literally every AD mid laner builds lifesteal, so there's that.
FebruAhri1 votes[{quoted}](name=Ace of Eden,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4c1NE7Gn,comment-id=0003000000000000000000000001,timestamp=2015-07-28T18:45:35.913+0000)
** Ahri is the only midlaner that has sustain besides Swain **
You're argument is invalid.
forgot Vladimir and the occasional Cho'Gath
RedTrinketGoneHa1 votesforgot Vladimir and the occasional Cho'Gath
Also forgot Akali's retarded passive and Gunblade. Lel, goodluck outhealing her. Love my main :)
Narasimha1 votesTell me one weakness in her kit.
You mean, other than the obvious "If she's misses a Q or E she's fucked"?
insaiyanbacca1 votesmalz has no burst damage? bwahahahahahah
The Bíg Ticket1 votesAnd the next Bronze guy who thinks he understand this game. What burst damage does Malzahar have? Last time I checked his W, E and R all do DoT.
Abyssphere1 votes[{quoted}](name=Danielas Kitten,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4c1NE7Gn,comment-id=000300000000000000010000,timestamp=2015-07-28T19:31:54.403+0000)
And the next Bronze guy who thinks he understand this game. What burst damage does Malzahar have? Last time I checked his W, E and R all do DoT.
You just answered your own question - his Q.
The Bíg Ticket1 votesEven that is not instant rofl...do you people actually know the champs you comment on? I guess according to you Malzahar is a burst mage now.
lolcommunity12 votes[{quoted}](name=Danielas Kitten,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4c1NE7Gn,comment-id=00030000000000000001000000010000,timestamp=2015-07-29T00:37:04.331+0000)
Even that is not instant rofl...do you people actually know the champs you comment on? I guess according to you Malzahar is a burst mage now.
I got to love you ranked players. Don't even know what's a burst mage champion or what is not. So many people are salty now because Syndra and Leblanc faded in irrelevance and despite Swain and Malzahar completely shit's on Ahri, nobody plays those champions.
It's more like, i am a meta sheep or my champion is shit against this champion so that champion should be nerfed to oblivion. People fucking oversell mobility like there is absolutely no way to deal with the mechanic. I would be a salty mother fucker forever If I knew their was absolutely no way to deal with Katarinas and preventing from taking a dump on entire team until I realized how much I love fucking them over with Malazhar or Warwick ults.
It amazes me though how many dumb asses shit the bed when they are either playing Ahri, or up against her. Stop being a one trick pony and expect your methods to work for all situations. You can pray that you that your team composition isn't shit and you can stop picking paper into scissors.
There is literally so many ways to deal with a Ahri and knowing is only half the battle. Goes to show how little ranked players know when they are literally scrubs. I especially don't respect one trick ponys to expect they will have a easy game against their counters. How often did many Ahri players cry when they had to face a Leblanc or a Katarinia into a Malazhar?
Even the all powerful and mighty cancer cat known as Nidalee can be put down if you know the champion that counters her (And you can effectively play them). Either take them up or learn to deal with your odds.
Cute Tailed Fox4 votesYou are a Plat IV scrub. I main ahri and can claim confidently that she is actually pretty balanced and the amount of damage she does needs to be buffed for the punishment she gets from other mid laners. If you want free private lessons you can message me.
Serevas10 votesSitting at 54% win rate, while being picked in 18% of games, I can very safely say that she doesn't need buffs.
TeemoJenkins4 votesMuch thread very logic such wow.
Beoridas4 votesshe is strong. But talking about a champs abilitis is honnestly the worst way to prove soemthing that is out of line. Anything looks op when you describe stuff the way you do. Thats a severe logical fallacy. i.e: straw man
Its like saying:
This pen is op because:
its blue its 15 cms long it can write stuff in colors it lasts very long time YOU CANNOT REMOVE THE INK MANUALLY
nerf pens plz..
The Bíg Ticket1 votesIt looks less op once you compare it to other writing/drawing tools. A pencil doesn't need to be refilled with ink every couple days, a brush covers more ground, a biro looks cooler,etc.. Point is if you compare Ahri to other champs you see she has a lot of very good things in her kit and close to 0 drawbacks in exchange.
Beoridas1 votes[{quoted}](name=Danielas Kitten,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4c1NE7Gn,comment-id=000c0000,timestamp=2015-07-28T18:28:17.669+0000)
It looks less op once you compare it to other writing/drawing tools. A pencil doesn't need to be refilled with ink every couple days, a brush covers more ground, a biro looks cooler,etc.. Point is if you compare Ahri to other champs you see she has a lot of very good things in her kit and close to 0 drawbacks in exchange.
Tbh. it was just an analogy.
When you compare a champ you have to compare it to its kind. the issue I really think she is having is that riot doesnt know if shes an assassin or a mage. That has numerous implication. Now shes a poke mage. To my understanding. flash has higher range than her R. Im fine with her only escape being her R. which a LOT of champs can catch up to.
I really dont play ahri. shes strong indeed. but ive got no issues with her and i main mid and support.
The Bíg Ticket1 votesFlash 425 range Ahri ult 450 range
Beoridas1 votes[{quoted}](name=Danielas Kitten,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4c1NE7Gn,comment-id=000c000000000000,timestamp=2015-07-28T18:38:50.764+0000)
Flash 425 range Ahri ult 450 range
yea. i just checked it. I mean what i said stand still. Many many champs can catch her. I dont find that ability OP per se just because it exists.
PiVoRx3 votesShe also has boobs what gives her nerf-shield.
And I agree, one of the most retarded champions in the game, kit so overloaded that even Ekko feels ashamed.
ChaosThief4 votesI wouldn't say overloaded.
Q: damage back and forth W: hit 3 times (same or different target) E: single target, slow moving cc R: 3 dashes + hits 3 targets
The closest thing to overloaded is her ult, and even then, ekko's ult really puts that to shame.
PiVoRx1 votesI wouldn't say overloaded.
Q: damage back and forth**/ +true damage +speed buff +aoe** W: hit 3 times (same or different target) /the only spell in her kit that actually looks balanced E: single target, slow moving cc /+insanely short cd, +deny any gap closer, 3rd best hook in the game R: 3 dashes + hits 3 targets /+wall jump, +best escape in the game, best chase spell in the game +makes charm easy to land
The closest thing to overloaded is her ult, and even then, ekko's ult really puts that to shame.
Also dont forget about her selfheal. Abilities on their own may not look so overloaded, but combined together makes her most ridiculous champ in the game, super safe, gank free, impossible to 1v1, unpunishable. If you dont destroy Ahri in the 1st 10 min of the game, you wont destroy her at all.
Wero342 votesmean wile all those immobile mages waiting his time to shine
jDVL20eCYs2 votesahir has hihg win rate cause her kit offers everything. good lane and good late game and really god mid game. strong roamer safe against banks. long range while also really good mobility. strong burst and also sustain damage.
The Bíg Ticket2 votesExactly..she is freelo.
warpenguin5552 votesA nice body
DJ Di02 votesSimply listing a champion's strengths isn't proof that they're overpowered; watch:
Sona -Ranged -Targeted poke that can't be dodged /and/ prioritizes two champions -A multi target heal, which heals more the less health someone has -An aoe speed boost -Burst damage passive -Built in Exhaust -A slow -Low cooldowns -Aoe Stun -Aura that can shield her whole team -Aura that makes her whole team attack harder -52% winrate
Better nerf Sona
O Fallen Scholar1 votesShe is freelo and also gets nerfed. It's confirmed by Riot already. Expect Ahri nerfs next patch.
RedTrinketGoneHa1 votesI'm going to be 100% honest with you guys, I main Akali and probably have about 500 games on her over the past 3 seasons, not once this season have I lost to an Ahri, needless to say it's probably one of the most common counterpicks I get anymore, so I've probably played vs like 10, now 10 isn't a lot but those 10 games I've absolutely stomped the Ahri.
Let's look at Akali
Balanced champ?
NemeBro1 votes
- Probably the strongest passive in the game,
Anyway, Ahri is basically the best mid laner in the game. There are some who do a certain thing better than Ahri, but Ahri is above average in basically everything.
RedTrinketGoneHa1 votes
Anyway, Ahri is basically the best mid laner in the game. There are some who do a certain thing better than Ahri, but Ahri is above average in basically everything.
Is it wrong that I honestly think that Poppy's passive isn't as op as people put it out to be? Akali can do 1 jungle camp from 10% HP and heal to 100% lategame. Not to mention the damage component of her passive makes her proc for crazy damage.
BakedLotion1 votesShe doesn't even need to hit skillshots
W-R-R-W-R
oh um did u expect me to hit anything? please. you're dead either way.
FebruAhri3 votesShe doesn't even need to hit skillshots
W-R-R-W-R
oh um did u expect me to hit anything? please. you're dead either way.
literally every adc will have time to righclick you to death during the time it takes for that
Raxistaicho1 votesliterally every adc will have time to righclick you to death during the time it takes for that
And it wouldn't kill anyone unless you've got rank 5 W, Rank 3 R, full-AP build and were doing it to a Sona or Mini-Gnar at a considerably lower level and without any built MR or Health.
alfavhunter1 votesAhri isn't really op
She has damage, sustain, mobility and some CC, what does she lack? She is very squishy, heavy skill shot reliant, her damage can be eaten by minions (fox fire and spirit dash, and charm is blocked by minions) and her range as a Mage is average
Fighting Shri effectively usually means standing where minions are between you and her, that negates 3/4 of her spells unless she want to jump into the minion wave with you, which will still negate her spells a bit
The reason you think she is op is because you aren't taking advantage of the fact that her W and R can be soaked by minions, E can be blocked by minions, and Q and E are skill shots
Couple that with her squishy was and she isn't really op at all, unless of course you let her land everything instead of using the counter play available to you