Kled has 54.42% win rate with high pick rate and ban rate

Riftn00b··12 votes·10,363 views

I wonder why Riot haven't nerfed this champion already.

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Saezio9 votes

Kled has 52,4% winrate with 5% pickrate according to U.GG in plat+ matches.

What site are you using?

Riftn00b1 votes

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Kled has 52,4% winrate with 5% pickrate according to U.GG in plat+ matches.

What site are you using?

U.gg , master+ stats

Ifneth4 votes

Gotta include Plat and Diamond, or else any champ can have crazy stats because Master+ is old Diamond 1+.

Riftn00b2 votes

That is strange because I was always told champions should be balanced around high elo players since they can use the champions with their full potential, also they know the best ways to counter them.

There are only 2 top lane champions with 54+% win rate and more than 1000 played games: Kled and Pantheon.

Mogarl2 votes

While true, it's never possible due to a low sample size. High plat (or whatever the equivalent now is) is the highest rated group with enough of a sample size to make statements based solely on statistics. There's a low enough population in masters and above that a frequently played champ can make their counters look statistically overpowered, a player that one tricks an unpopular champ may be the only player of that champ, or random chance may simply allow for a difference of a few percent.

Riftn00b2 votes

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While true, it's never possible due to a low sample size. High plat (or whatever the equivalent now is) is the highest rated group with enough of a sample size to make statements based solely on statistics. There's a low enough population in masters and above that a frequently played champ can make their counters look statistically overpowered, a player that one tricks an unpopular champ may be the only player of that champ, or random chance may simply allow for a difference of a few percent.

1300 is not a low sample size. Btw, low sample size is never an issue on this board when ppl cries about e.g. Riven. "Omg Riven has 55% win rate after 2 hours of the new patch was applied, based on 30 games, omg broken champion"... So, no if board keeps bitching about other champions based on master + statistics then it does work for Kled too, especially with statistically relevant numbers. If you find 1300 low, then check diamond+: 53% win rate 12,000 games, Gold: 52.15% win rate 50,000 games. There isn't a single elo where Kled isn't oppressive and supports that he doesn't need to be nerfed.

Aatrox Airlines1 votes

some people on the boards are wrong so that justifies me being wrong

Mogarl1 votes

1300 people with a roster of 150 champions in a game with a lot of complexity. If you're using the boards complaints to justify your complaining then fine whatever, but I was stating the reasoning behind Riot using high Plat and above (or its current equivalent).

TotalJerk1 votes

Do you by any chance have any concept of the term "sample size"?

Riftn00b1 votes

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Do you by any chance have any concept of the term "sample size"?

Do you by any chance have any concept of statistics? No, you don't. Because if you did you would know that 1300 is not a low sample size.

TotalJerk1 votes

All you did is try to turn my statement on me but made it more wrong and dumb.

Aatrox Airlines2 votes

The thing with master+ stats is that every viable champion there needs to have a good winrate (exceot for, like, akali) becayse you need a positive winrate to stay masters+. If you want good data, take plat+. He has around 52% there so hes fine

Ifneth1 votes

The game is balanced around regular play, skilled play, and pro play. Regular play is below Platinum, where players generally do not use their champions efficiently but Riot must prevent pub-stompers from running wild to keep 80% of the playerbase happy. Skilled play is Plat and above, where players do use their champions efficiently but without coordination. Riot gets the ‘good’ balance numbers from this elo and sometimes considers ‘elite’ play of Masters+ for near-perfect play abuse cases.

Finally, Pro players use champions perfectly, in unexpected ways, and with coordination, requiring balance decisions that often seem strange to anyone not following the scene. RIP Support Kench.

mark60281 votes

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The game is balanced around regular play, skilled play, and pro play. Regular play is below Platinum, where players generally do not use their champions efficiently but Riot must prevent pub-stompers from running wild to keep 80% of the playerbase happy. Skilled play is Plat and above, where players do use their champions efficiently but without coordination. Riot gets the ‘good’ balance numbers from this elo and sometimes considers ‘elite’ play of Masters+ for near-perfect play abuse cases.

Finally, Pro players use champions perfectly, in unexpected ways, and with coordination, requiring balance decisions that often seem strange to anyone not following the scene. RIP Support Kench.

Yet riot gets mad when champions that are designed around coordination use are actually good at coordinated use.

Yeah. Let's face it. Look at yetters recent tweet about "aiming for 2%" additional winrate for viktor. That's what they do. They are clueless and dumb and all they do is look at magic numbers and throw some other random numbers around until the magic number fits. Without taking into account WHY a champion is strong, HOW he does it, if he has frustrating mechanics, counterplay etc. There is a fuckton of metrics to actually balance a champ and the game as a whole. Instead we get random numbers here and there so their data shows "50%" winrate perfectly balanced as all things should be. Unless it's riven then she isnt balanced until 60% winrate and fiora apparently. Fiora and before her renekton are prime examples of riots absolute cluelessness. Renekton already oneshotted everyone early-mid game and they buffed his laning and oneshot more but his winrate didn't really move. They buffed the absolute fucking shit out of fioras laning phase and are still surprised that her winrate doesn't move. If they actually played the game they knew that laning phase especially toplane is fuckin irrelevant but whatever.

Saezio1 votes

Question Are master+ stats referring to matches or to players?

Riftn00b1 votes

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Question Are master+ stats referring to matches or to players?

matches

Saezio6 votes

Cool.

I just checked, and Kled is 15th in that list. Why didn't you pick any of the 14 previous champs to complain about?

Riftn00b1 votes

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Cool.

I just checked, and Kled is 15th in that list. Why didn't you pick any of the 14 previous champs to complain about?

In what list he is 15th? He has the 2nd highest win rate on top lane.

Saezio1 votes

Overall winrate list.

Riftn00b1 votes

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Overall winrate list.

So you're trying to protect Kled's oppressive win rates that are based on statistically relevant datas with irrelevant statistics based on a couple games of barely played champions...

Saezio1 votes

Tristana pantheon and qiyanna are all above him in that list with higher winrate and higher pickrate.

I am not trying to protect kled. BTW 18th in the list now

I am curious why you chose to use masters+ stats. And not challenger for example, or Grandmaster, or simply Plat+

Riftn00b5 votes

Yeah, I saw it. That champion really outshines any other shit in this game.

preternatural4 votes

because they did it on purpose.

The thigh guy4 votes

Nope. Not Ezreal or kai’sa. Boards doesn’t care.

Ragnaveil4 votes

I mean, even if he hit those numbers, its because his counters were either gutted or severely weakened (Aatrox could actually deal with him to some extent, until his passive got gutted)

Aatrox Airlines2 votes

Aatrox vs kled becomes heavily kled favored post 6 but now aatrox just gets shit on cause no sustain

Ragnaveil1 votes

Correct.

Jesi Oni1 votes

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Nope. Not Ezreal or kai’sa. Boards doesn’t care.

Ezreal is weak... What are you smoking because I want some.

The thigh guy1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Jesi Oni,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4ajrc5FM,comment-id=00030001,timestamp=2019-09-19T13:07:13.902+0000)

Ezreal is weak... What are you smoking because I want some.

I’m aware that Ezreal is the worst adc in the game now. That’s the joke. -.-

R0ses R Red2 votes

it's because pro-play isn't fawning over him yet. Champions are generally allowed to be this strong in solo queue until outcry forces their hand like it did with Riven.

only luciano2 votes

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it's because pro-play isn't fawning over him yet. Champions are generally allowed to be this strong in solo queue until outcry forces their hand like it did with Riven.

But not Pyke

AS I LAY FEEDING1 votes

Nobody played Kled because he is boring & have a huge wall of text. The length riot goes for powercreeping the hell out of toplane is insane.

mark60281 votes

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Nobody played Kled because he is boring & have a huge wall of text. The length riot goes for powercreeping the hell out of toplane is insane.

No one plays kled because no one wants to bother with a buggy ass champion that never does what you want+why play kled who loses to lane bullies and gets outscaled when better lane bullies exist?

Aatrox Airlines1 votes

kled

boring

I beg to differ

Tahminatrix 1 votes

Atleast its not the usual, yes they should do something about it soon but be glad its not vayne or lee sin or khazix, etc.

Moon Mom3 votes

Holy boards mental gymnastics. This champion has been a stat check in top lane for 20 years and was overbuffed to S-tier. Stop. He's been OP for awhile now.

Ragnaveil1 votes

Hes feast famine on the level of Trynd. If his cheese works, he wins. Doesn't, and hes useless as shit.

Moon Mom1 votes

So like Diana? (my main champ) He's a literal stat check that throws himself at you. If they don't have the numbers to kill you, then they're useless (outside of his small utility in a team fight).

Ragnaveil2 votes

Yes.

On My Kill List1 votes

because kled doesn't piss people off as much as riven does. or reneketon,vlad,or any of the meta top champs. if you haven't noticed the people who complain the most about kled are abusers of those champs. and at the end of the day its kled. he's simplistic and has far more counterplay then a riven does. so people don't really think he's an issue. this means he'll go un-nerfed just like jinx for a long time because at the end of the day nobody really cares.

Slim Gragas1 votes

Did you misspell Kaisa or Pyke?

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