If you wanted to force Cassiopeia into being this machine gun E-bot. Why not make a NEW champion?

5G8Nri0B54··14 votes·1,090 views

Whenever you say you're "reading all the criticisms/feedbacks", I'm not sure if you understand what the people are trying to get across. We tell you that we hate her E, and sometimes it feels like you think we think we mean "her E isn't strong, please make her E even more prominent in her kit!"

Admittedly there's like a hundred points coming at once, but that's because there's so much wrong with her rework that I don't even know how she became what she is when most other reworks weren't half as messy.

I explained in excruciating detail just why you were wrong to make her E such an important aspect of her kit over her Q or W.. But pretend that you think making her into a mano-a-mano AP brawler is befitting of Cassiopeia (just try to rationalize how this fits her image). I'm sure you've noticed that most of the controversy comes from those of us who loved her for her POISON MAGE identity that her Q and W gave her.

The question then is, if you're so dedicated into making her into a champion that has as little to do with Cassiopeia as possible, why didn't you just make a NEW champion to begin with?


Maybe it's just me. But it really does look like your rework is starting to create a bigger and bigger divide between two camps of Cassiopeia players who, pre-rework, simply ignored one another's existence. But by **catering solely to one camp **while brushing off the other camp, you essentially turned many Cassiopeia players against one another.

There's the camp that liked a Cassiopeia with a playstyle that fits her niche as a Poison spreading mage. An AoE DoT caster. Then there's the camp who likes this mano-a-mano all-in AP brawler. The camp who all along just wanted this.

The rework caters solely to the latter while the former..

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5G8Nri0B549 votes

PS - and asides from her E. I should not that among her other problems are...

-the fact that you're trying so hard to make a hyper-carry out of a champion who was never one to begin with. **How do you think Kog'maw players would like it if you took away his late game and made him into a Miss Fortune? **

-her Passive has a lot of issues. "Growing power" is kind of contradictory to a POISON mage. And there's the fact that it's rewards comes in milestones, meaning each and every stack that isn't the 3 very specific stack are unsatisfying and frustrating until the milestones are reached

Ulquiorra9957 votes

There already is a champion based on 'spam a point-and-click single target spell as fast as humanly possible'. He's called Ryze. And we don't need another one.

Saevum4 votes

They should also do a Refund Thread (Champion AND Skin). I did not Bought 'this' new Champion that they are doing, and yes, im not gonna call her Cassiopeia cause that's not my Cassiopeia.

Chrige3 votes

They say they had to rework her because shes a lane bully but it seems like her E is what made her such a bully. Before she was a DoT champ whos counterplay should be rushing her and killing her before the poison wears off since at that point she cant really do any more damage since dots don't stack, but her E punishes that and removes all counterplay. If they just reverted her to how she was pre-rework and changed her E they would find that she wasn't such a bully anymore and then Stashu could take this rework and make his hypercarry that hes in love with.

U4fyn2vZzW4 votes

They had to rework her because she's a lane bully?

So where are Syndra Xerath Gnar Jayce Renekton Ryze Yorick reworks?

Junkο2 votes

No Heimerdinger listed?

Chaotic Reks1 votes

Mordekaiser

Chrige1 votes

That's the reason stashu gave. I agree, there are plenty of others that needed it more but he fixated on her for some reason.

Serpents Embrace2 votes

One of a few conflicting reasons he gave, yes.

5G8Nri0B541 votes

Well...we know that Yorick's rework is coming soon(TM)

Rebonack3 votes

Just a random idea here.

To those folks who liked Cass for the AoE poison mage concept, how would you feel if her E was instead a missile skillshot that, if it hit a poisoned unit, exploded in a poison cloud that spread her DoTs to other nearby units rather than the 'I'm totally not Ryze' machinegun E?

Serpents Embrace1 votes

More skillshots isn't what a high skill cap, high pressure champion needs. =\

Having E be targeted is necessary, but having it be the sole focus of the kit is absurd.

5G8Nri0B542 votes

On one hand, I'd totally be on board if her E was something more interesting than a simply "point and click"-nuke. On the other hand...

  1. She's hard enough to use as is...

  2. There's still the issue that her POISON IS UNSATISFYING TO LAND

In the end, Stashu gave us a Cassiopeia where the pay-off isn't landing a skillshot, but landing a boring point and click ability that does nothing but plain old damage...and you mash it like a spaz.

Serpents Embrace3 votes

If you were Riot, would you let Stashu work on a new champion?

Can you imagine the shit-storm that would happen after that release? The Cassiopeia rework just pissed off Cassiopeia players. A useless, unfun new champion would piss off all of League.

5G8Nri0B541 votes

I see it slightly differently.

This champion would be built from the ground up to actually suit this rather dull play-style rather than the husk of another more fun champion.

In other words, there'll be less constraint for Stashu to pretend this is still Cassiopeia and he can have more freedom creating what he really wanted all along, mainly this.

Now he can create a champion that actually fits that kit he came up with rather than mutilating an existing champion to force her to fit a certain image that doesn't belong on her. The fans of this new E-spamming turret would be the same fans who actually liked this rework of his and they'll eat this new champion up the same way they're eating up the new rework atm. To THOSE players, it doesn't matter whether it's Cassiopeia or not, all they want is to just spam that E button, so they'll be happy with this new champion.

The end result is a more cohesive champion overall that doesn't come with the burden if pissing off a massive segment of a pre-existing champion. And more importantly, that would also mean Cassiopeia can get a proper rework that actually retains her identity as a Poison Mage.

Serpents Embrace1 votes

That's unrealistic, though.

If Stashu, by the grace of the powers that be, gets removed from the Cass rework it's more likely he's just going to attach to an already existing champion to continue this stupid fantasy of his.

Look at what he's done. He doesn't have creativity. His "interesting rewards" are just flat fucking stats. The only good things he's done to Cass have been the non-content changes. The consistency and responsiveness to E and R (and the Q on that's apparently on the way sounds in the same light). He may be good at coding that shit, but he's not good at designing.

Apparently he's moving his eye to Galio. Poor golem.

Desmond Law2 votes

Urgot

Quepha1 votes

because if you proposed a new champion like that, other rioters would point out that you've just made something that depends on a play style that is already realized by ryze, urgot, and karthus.

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