She now has the invisibility, that is not revealed any more, so you better prepare to ban Vayne every game you are not first pick or get destroyed as soon as she ults, because there is literally no way left to counter her invisibility...
l Helios l13 votesCorrect me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the fact that you could counter her ult stealth with 75 gold kind of lame? Same with 
W, does no one realize how bullshit that was? An entire mechanism of a champion's kit negated by 75 gold. Boy, that really makes me want to play that champion!
Tbh, this is the point where will figure out if stealth is a good mechanic for league.
bad arcade kitty9 votes[{quoted}](name=l Helios l,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4FqfbwBb,comment-id=000b,timestamp=2016-11-09T00:20:26.899+0000)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't the fact that you could counter her ult stealth with 75 gold kind of lame? Same with
Tbh, this is the point where will figure out if stealth is a good mechanic for league.
what's wrong with it? it's the same in dota where invisibility is common but easily negated
an invisible assassin/hard carry which can't be negated with a cheap consumable is a problem
seems i'm going to permaban vayne
Sona Ping6 votesBecause this isn't DotA. Not just because it's a different game with different mechanics that work differently but because DotA operates at an entirely different level of power than League. There's a reason why that joke "In DotA everyone is balanced because everyone is OP" exists.
Things like permanent, unconditional invisibility; 4 second stuns, and 6 second silences maybe fine in DotA but League isn't DotA.
bad arcade kitty4 votes[{quoted}](name=Sona Ping,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4FqfbwBb,comment-id=000b00000000,timestamp=2016-11-09T05:13:58.276+0000)
Because this isn't DotA. Not just because it's a different game with different mechanics that work differently but because DotA operates at an entirely different level of power than League. There's a reason why that joke "In DotA everyone is balanced because everyone is OP" exists.
Things like permanent, unconditional invisibility; 4 second stuns, and 6 second silences maybe fine in DotA but League isn't DotA.
meantime lol is going to introduce invisibility which can't be countered with a cheap consumable which even dota didn't dare to do, all their invisible heroes are countered by dust etc
Flaherty11 votesYou could always retreat until the ult it gone then re-engage
1 800 Top Lane37 votesRetreat? What is this nonsense, that's pro level play and up.
We always fight in Nunu's ult and Illaoi's.
SomeLink45 votesDoesn't her passive movement speed when moving towards a target double?
Divewing40 votesI think it triples...
Owyn7 votesBuff it to quardiple and we'r good! [slayer-jinx-wink]
WinTheWarOnPants21 votes
MrWasjig11 votesJust so you can cry yourself to sleep:
Night Hunter RANGE: 2000!!! Vayne gains 30 bonus movement speed when moving towards a nearby visible enemy champion. FINAL HOUR: Night Hunter's bonus movement speed is tripled to 90.
So saying "just retreat" is a non-solution :P
Only Play Darius20 votesTo be fair Nunu and Illaoi are melee and don't get 90 MS during their ults
Akali is SO HOT25 votesYeah just let me retreat from Vayne whose passive ms boost gets tripled during her ult.
GULAG 4 U3 votesJust ghost and flash kappa
WinTheWarOnPants6 votes"Night Hunter Vayne gains 30 bonus movement speed when moving towards a nearby visible enemy champion. Final Hour.png FINAL HOUR: Night Hunter's bonus movement speed is tripled to 90."
Rozzeta6 votesYeah... Good luck running away from Night Hunter.
SpecterVonBaren7 votesHow? If you've gone balls deep to try and kill her then you're now in the middle of the enemy team so unless you're Zed or Leblanc you're stuck there. If you're a tank then the same is true, if you try to walk away then you're just going to get poked down or murdered by the Vayne that's chasing you with her increase movespeed and steroid activated.
In what world does the enemy team just say, "Oh I see we kept you from getting our ADC, we'll let you get back to your team so you can try again later."
If this is a 1v1 scenario then it's even more laughable because Vayne will just kill you because of her passive and ability to knock you into a wall.
Kingdom Corn4 votesher passive and q. Do I need to say more? K statik shiv and boots.
Boulderox6 votesYou could always retreat until the ult it gone then re-engage
90 ms when running at enemies with ult... yea fucking try running from a 500 + ms vayne
Need Gold 4 Tent2 votesfunfact: most of them go 2 zeal items so include that 10% ms too will ya?
Spicy Rice2 votesRetreat from the person who gets 90 movespeed when running at you?
Khaoticol7 votesDon't worry, 10 bans incoming next season in the meantime just ban her everytime
Shuriman Curator3 votesDon't worry, 10 bans incoming next season in the meantime just ban her everytime
10 bans and some champs will never see the rift again.
bad arcade kitty7 votes10 bans and some champs will never see the rift again.
it means they should be nerfed/reworked
SociopathFriend1 votesThat's always the cycle isn't it? Champions are changed They're OP and banned Champions are changed again They're trash and never used Champions are changed again They're okay but stale Champions are changed again
Supreme Senpai692 votesActually isn't it more like: Champions are fine Items are changed Champions are broken Months go by Champions are gutted Months go by Champions are reworked and are now awesome and balanced
Then masteries are changed
AMYS GRAVE1 votesThen maybe there is an underlying balance problem in the game....
Restraintful1 votesThere is, it's the fact that any champion can build any item.
AMYS GRAVE1 votesThere is no way that is an unsolvable problem.
AttackOnTeemos6 votes...Cait Traps, Galio Ultimate., some snares, Soraka's E, Fiddle Fear, Hour Glass, Zone Skills... Nope, not a single counter was named there.
Osmiux3 votesAlso Kled's Q. Oh, and aren't they adding an invisibility shimmer in the assassin update?
Jet Sett2 votesThe shimmer only works if you hit them, which can only happen with non-targeted abilities, and you still can't AA or use point and click abilities.
Shimmer seems more helpful for extended invisibility like Twitch or Rengar (I believe they are not listed as camouflage)
Ruin Lance21 votesvayne buys
FeelsBadMan
AttackOnTeemos4 votes[{quoted}](name=Ruin Lance,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4FqfbwBb,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2016-11-08T19:48:37.510+0000)
FeelsBadMan
People act like she going to 1v5 a whole team lol it's sad af.
Ruin Lance14 votesit's actually a lot easier than you'd think. if you catch the enemy carries off guard before the front line can stop you, it's certainly possible. you literally kill carries without armor in like 2-3 hits and i'm NOT exaggerating.
(source: i was feeding my ass off on vayne but when the enemy caitlyn and lissandra decided to get a little careless i 3 shotted their asses and earned myself a quadra afterwards since the tanks couldn't hurt me)
AttackOnTeemos2 votes[{quoted}](name=Ruin Lance,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4FqfbwBb,comment-id=0001000100000000,timestamp=2016-11-08T19:55:03.914+0000)
it's actually a lot easier than you'd think. if you catch the enemy carries off guard before the front line can stop you, it's certainly possible. you literally kill carries without armor in like 2-3 hits and i'm NOT exaggerating.
(source: i was feeding my ass off on vayne but when the enemy caitlyn and lissandra decided to get a little careless i 3 shotted their asses and earned myself a quadra afterwards since the tanks couldn't hurt me)
That could be sad for any champion, hell eveyone should know the rengar blues I mean after the changes I'm not sure but we know for a fact he jumps on someone and eats their face and walks away. Yi does clean up duty, Olaf just says Fck yo tanks Im going through it all.
Narasimha7 votesI mean, if the enemy plays stupid, literally anything is possible. You could pull off ad jungle sona against a bad enough team.
Supreme Senpai691 votesWhat is this, my promos?
Aptest3 votesoh common you gotta admit bop a pink on her was kinda cheap.
get yourself an anti-stealth champion like lulu or lee sin and worry no more.
NodirjonSattarov3 votesShe gets 30-40+ AD, attack speed and move speed. The least you can do is purchase a pink for 75g to track where she goes.
I am Pacman3 votesDamaging invis champs now produces a shimer
MunchCrunchLunch15 votesoh good its not like she can kill me with 2 autos. or even just 1.
GayFluffyUnicorn7 votesBut they are still untargetable and that shimmer only lasts for 1 second even when applying additional dmg. So no Q dmg for Annie or garen, or R for Syndra, no AA from any adc etc etc. while she can freeshot. Nice counterplay. I'm honest here, i said it several times and i still believe this is the best solution: remove stealth mechanic at all and rework those champs. Or create stealth items like Dota so everyone can have access to it and leave direct counters to it open.
flibitydoo2 votesannie can still w/ult/reveal location because freethornmail. And annie's will typically lead in with stun-tibbers anyways so it's not exactly like she loses the ability to 100-0.
garen can spin on top of her and track her during the entire spin. If he builds sunfire cape (which he probably should in general), all he has to do is walk at her to reveal her location and burn her out with it.
all of syndra's basic abiltiies are skillshots and can be used to reveal her position and damage her during stealth. This is honestly better because Syndra right now is "lol I missed everything like a monkey but still get to 100-0 with ult alone" is one of the most unhealthy forms of gameplay and is why she was such a common ban at worlds.
Someone like Karthus is absolutely insane for countering stealth- not only his the majority of his damage output skillshot based (allowing him to damage invisible units), but he also get's that large defile aoe which can easily reveal her position the same way garen does.
Someone like singed or cass or any dot based champion (or one who took ignite) can also mark her to reveal her location so allies can fire their cc/skillshots as well.
Of course, there's still the aspect of dodging that vayne can do to counter all skillshots- but that's actively paying attention to enemy abilities and positioning pre-emptively is healthy gameplay.
Dead Echo2 votesDoesn't upgraded red trinket 
still reveal all stealth champions whether it's camouflage or invisibility?
LostFr0st23 votesNope! You get a red delayed outline :^)
Supreme Senpai6914 votesAs in, you can't use targeted abilities or AA her at all.
