Does Riot realize a lot of the games problems stem from the fact no one has any MR anymore?

Giga Baboon·Jun 6, 2018·5 votes·3,597 views

A ton of champions use to run 12 mr glyphs, or at the minimum 4, and that helped stem all the random magic damage that's been added to league that was balanced around this. Take that away and oh lookie people just exploding quicker than ever. It's why tanks were broken for so long, it's why supports have gained so much power.

Why didn't riot give everyone a base MR increase in the pre season update, it's just so asinine.

24 Comments

Hencho101Jun 6, 20184 votes

I personally think that the problem lies with the LACK of MR items. As a tank you got item 3194 and item 3065 for MR, there's your 2 choices! Armor? Oh well we got: item 3742 item 3025 item 3800 item 3068 item 3143 item 3110 item 3109 item 3075 hell EVEN item 3056 ! That's if we don't count the hybrid armor/mr items that is. But really, If i'm facing a mostly full up AP team, 2 full MR items then hybrid, isn't going to let me tank as much as if i face a full AD team.

EkyonKunJun 6, 20182 votes

item 3001

Hencho101Jun 6, 20181 votes

THREE choices! mb, good call!

EkyonKunJun 6, 20182 votes

To be honest that's all you really need. Even get if you're feeling paranoid. solved the problem of DoT mages shredding tanks too hard, and I can't even begin to imagine a world where you need more than 3 full built MR items + MR boots.

And if you're really facing a team of nothing but 5 AP, they somehow make it to late game, and you just don't know what to build as your 5th and 6th item, there's still these options item 3190 item 3512 . I know you said you weren't counting hybrid items, but 60 and 55 MR respectively are still gonna do a lot against magic damage. Especially locket's team shield.

Supports can get item 3174 item 3222

ADs can get item 3139 item 3156 item 3091

Other mages get item 3102

I really wouldn't say MR itemization is lacking anymore than itemization in general is lacking. If specific magic damage dealers are doing too much early game damage, or too much damage in general, I'd say go by a case by case basis. Adding more MR items isn't going to solve anything.

SpoofghoulJun 6, 20182 votes

you only need item 3065 vs that mage dude

ironically enough though building item 3047 item 3075 item 3110 item 3143 item 3068 item 3742

Does jack shit vs AD champs

VoraciousXJun 7, 20181 votes

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I personally think that the problem lies with the LACK of MR items. As a tank you got and for MR, there's your 2 choices! Armor? Oh well we got: hell EVEN ! That's if we don't count the hybrid armor/mr items that is. But really, If i'm facing a mostly full up AP team, 2 full MR items then hybrid, isn't going to let me tank as much as if i face a full AD team.

item 3060 item 3193 item 3512 item 3190 are all MR items. You have to also realize that Liandrys is trash at least in the HP shred department because unlike BORK, it only procs a few times in a fight and really Spirit Visage is all you need for MR. Also keep in mind we have WAY MORE HP on items than we had previously. You used to be lucky to reach 4000 HP on a tank, and now it's pretty much standard.

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This is probably what riot believes and it's why this game is going to shit. Nobody cares about what your base hp or base mr is at lvl 18 when the game is already decided 5 mins in when you died to the level 3 Leblanc or Zed or Zoe or Irelia or w/e.

First off, two of your champions you mentioned are AD champions and Irelia only has one form of actual magic damage(which is high early game but early game she isn't gonna be anywhere but top anyways most likely, while previously she had true damage anyways) If you died to a level 3 Zed, Leblanc, Zoe, or Irelia, that's your fault for being outplayed, not Riot's fault for you not having as much MR early as previously.

DW DianaJun 6, 20183 votes

Yeah because AP champions are clearly the problem right now...

Giga BaboonJun 6, 20183 votes

Well 1) Zoe and Leblanc are a problem, and 2) it's not AP champions abusing the lack of base MR, it's every other role that has magic damage on the side, like tanks supports ezreal kaisa etc

Pika FoxJun 6, 20182 votes

Zoe was never a problem, and especially isnt now.

Giga BaboonJun 6, 20182 votes

Go share your opinion with anyone who's high elo.

Pika FoxJun 6, 20182 votes

If they think zoe is/was OP, their opinion couldnt have been worth much. Riot even stated she wasnt OP, nothing showed she was too strong, just "frustrating to play against". No one bothered to learn to play against her, and even in the tournament games she was in, all of them were decided by someone else (cough ornn cough)

Giga BaboonJun 6, 20182 votes

I was just humoring you, the fact that you could believe that unironically already tells me your opinions are worthless. Your rank is a bonus.

DW DianaJun 6, 20182 votes

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Well 1) Zoe and Leblanc are a problem, and 2) it's not AP champions abusing the lack of base MR, it's every other role that has magic damage on the side, like tanks supports ezreal kaisa etc

I think it's not they are a problem so much as those that used to counter them can't anymore
This is true (and not something I'd thought of). A LOT of ad champions get free magic damage for some reason... not sure why ap don't get the same...

Malix FarwinJun 6, 20181 votes

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I think it's not they are a problem so much as those that used to counter them can't anymore

This is true (and not something I'd thought of). A LOT of ad champions get free magic damage for some reason... not sure why ap don't get the same...

Well its that and people are not building MR in my games. Ill play zoe burst them down, hear them whine and complain, take a look at my gold/items and theirs and see that i am not only ahead but they have no invested in a single defensive item. Every game where the enemy builds against a burst mage(crazy right) i have a hard time but since no one does its cake.

5050BSJun 6, 20183 votes

Yep No MR anymore

item 3155 item 3156 item 3001 item 3194 item 3060 item 3102

I dont see any of these in matches at all

Giga BaboonJun 6, 20182 votes

Do you not understand that not every champion can build those items, and they're items, they cost gold and only come online x min into the game, unlike base MR. Like why are are you trying to sarcastic when you don't even understand what I'm talking about.

KhristophorosJun 6, 20182 votes

I think they are intentionally power creeping damage output and seeing how far they can push it.

rtbf11791216Jun 6, 20181 votes

and thats the complete oposite that needs to happan all damage from all sources need a flat 25-50% nerf the game is fucked the fact that 2.5k of my health with 100 armor can flat out disapear from 1-2 abilities is wrong (looking at you assassins)

Malix FarwinJun 6, 20182 votes

I agree with Pka, if you have no MR thats because you choose not to get any. I thought the statement was trolling when you said lack of MR. No actually the problem is lack for armor options which is why AD is so strong right now.

If i am AP i can build item 3001 item 3194 item 3102 item 3111 , if i want armor as AP i have item 3047 item 3157 .

If i am AD and want AP i have item 3111 item 3156 item 3091 item 3139 and have dmg as well while their only armor option is item 3047 and item 3026

Then of course theres a rune that further gives you defense against MR called Nullifying orb and theres no Armor counterpart that is as strong.

To make matters worse you do not even need as much MR as you do armor because the amount of magic pen you can reliably get is locked between boots(which half the time take up your mr/armor slot) and Void staff which you do not rush. I can build 1 MR item and not worry about the AP threat for most of the where as i need to build both armor items just to not be blown up by the AD ones.

VoraciousXJun 6, 20181 votes

Supports have had "so much power" since they took athenes and shield and heal power became a thing. I do agree though that tanks doing too much damage would definitely have to do with lost MR, since they have really high base damage though. However giving people MR back while there are already plenty of newer MR items since runes reforged might be a problem. You also have to realize they did actually give every champion in the game MR on level. They used to have ONLY bonus MR.

Giga BaboonJun 6, 20181 votes

You also have to realize they did actually give every champion in the game MR on level. They used to have ONLY bonus MR.

This is probably what riot believes and it's why this game is going to shit. Nobody cares about what your base hp or base mr is at lvl 18 when the game is already decided 5 mins in when you died to the level 3 Leblanc or Zed or Zoe or Irelia or w/e.