Pre mades are cancerous to Solo players

KING ATTILA·May 14, 2016·120 votes·3,189 views

I keep experiencing this time and time again!: Pre mades do NOT follow up with anything that solo players do for them. I go to bot for an easy gank and ping multiple times....no follow up.

I ping for objectives where we can easily secure them...I get blown off repeatedly.

If something good for us happens or someone plays well, and I say GJ or something nice, I get nothing but cold silence.

Seriously, I am tired of Dynamic Cancer Queue. Pre mades SUCK to play with.

Pre mades and solo players should never be mixed into games. I swear to god, I get better teamwork with OTHER solo players than fucking pre mades that act like you're a fucking outsider.

We want Solo Queue and Team Ranked. Not a shitty all-in-one tumor storm.

71 Comments

ff4skMay 15, 201626 votes

It's cancerous as fuck.

I can handle a duo but jesus christ anything over 2 people is just unbearable. you'll get people who barely know how to play the fucking game cuss out a solo player for not winning their lane for them and their premade would just back them up.

worst part is they always get away with this sort of shit because you can't say anything to them without getting spammed with reports and insults.

Riot needs to separate the two, we don't want to play with premades.

Supreme Senpai69May 15, 20163 votes

I duo almost every game and I agree pre-mades are usually cancerous. 2/2/1 is fine, 2/1/1/1 is fine, but 2/3 is just a super bad time for your team and the enemy team. Potentially all three lanes shouldn't have access to that kind of communication. If me and a friend are bot lane doing decent, it doesn't matter what we do if the other 3 are feeding. On the other hand, it doesn't matter what we do if the other three are murdering every lane with their 3 man ganks. It's sorta a free win or a free loss and you gotta accept it.

I think it's worst of all when the jungler is involved in a pre-made because usually what happens is perfectly timed ganks and you get camped. It sucks for the enemy for obvious reasons, but sucks for your team too because nobody else gets a gank

cyphris41May 15, 20168 votes

Lets not forget when you piss them off they 4 man report you and you get an auto chat ban without saying a word.

archelockeMay 16, 20163 votes

I hate to say it, but that's not how it works.

ShenmueMay 16, 20161 votes

thats not how its work ? it happened to me 2 time without saying annything they reported me for refusing to communicate i got 2 chat bans LOL talk about how to help one communicating more, still i don't care anymore aobut league i just don't play anymore

GayFluffyUnicornMay 15, 20169 votes

I know i will get downvoted to hell for this. Either from premade "abuser" or someone else. But i'm no "omg premades holdingme back toget out of bronze". Currently i am again in plat 3 and i've already been to plat 1 with 60 points playing with and against diamond V and IV and since i don't drop back to gold or something i'd say i'm a rather good player but what bothers me most is the amount of boosted players in this region. Look at my last 3 GP games. The last 2 were with 3 premades in my team. At first i thought easy win but oh boy. A frickin gold 1 graves in jungle with 3/10 in this elo. His other two premades naut and lucian also both died TWICE the times i did. Over 10 deaths in plat 2 elo is something which should nothappen (yes i had some 10 deaths games too mostly thanks to premades towerdiving me over and over again). In the last game, just look at vayne and naut dmg (both premades as well with alistar). 75% KP, 4,00 KDA, most dmg. I really tried, i really did. But those two 3 men premades are in this elo but should never be. They die too often, their CS is HORRIBLE with 4 cs/min or 5cs/min. They don't know how to apply pressure or which objective is worth to take at a certain point in the game and they won't listen to a player who got mostly in this elo by good game understanding and teamfighting/presence bc premades. They drag down my elo, i suddenly lose 20-21 points even though i mostly lost 15-17 because i play against players way below my elo and lose. How is it even remotely balanced or fair to match me with a gold 1? As a plat 2? That's a tier difference. He couldn't land a single W or Q properly against the wall when he ganked. Counterjungling did not exist and eve is weak as hell in the beginning (feast or famine). I'm literally sick of these boosted players. This system ruins my elo, my fun and the fun of several others. Our noc last game got so tilted by these bad premades, that he just ulted 1v5 because they refused to surrender. So i'm really noone who blames everyone else when he loses, i lsot lane against a diamond already and i lost it pretty hard even though i played pretty safe but i received no flame from solos, they did their best to win their lanes and let me farm up with splitpushing so we eventually won the game. I can acknowledge better players. But doing quadra kills, mostdmgs overall, 50-75% KP, best farm and you are still not able to carry 3 premades who clearly shouldn't be in this elo at all makes me sick and i have to stop ranked at the moment. It just tilts me so hard and if riot doesn'tstart to finally balance the game out and put solos against solos i will have to quit league.

TL;DR: I'm sick of playing with premades and also against premades who should never be in my elo. I'm sick of losing a ton of LP/MMR because we have some goldie in our team thanks to premades and i play against people 2 divisions below me. Yes, i know there are pretty bad games (KDA wise) in my latest games. But the last three GP games should've been one with EASE but i just can't carry a smite twitch, vayne top who died 50 times to maokai,not evne witha quadra. A vayne with 10k dmg in a 41 min game. I can'tcarry premades with silver farm/dmg and gold decision making.

BluePolarizerMay 15, 20165 votes

man at least you are GP who can solo carry. Try playing as Hecarim, Pantheon or Lulu and watch victory slip from your fingers as your super fed premade starts randomly diving, farming instead of getting objectives and just watching yourself fall off even as you desperately try to buy pushing items to force your team to push.

It's the worst thing in the world. And you can't do anything about it.

GayFluffyUnicornMay 15, 20162 votes

Well, i'm not as good at carrying as you might think. Just look at my recent history. Quadra kills, 75% KP, most dmg overall, up to 9,3 cs/min farm. 3k gold ahead and it is still not enough. GP is so strong, especially with his ult u can support lanes/fights without leaving your lane and teammates/premades are still too dumb to make something out of it.

BluePolarizerMay 15, 20162 votes

lol the classical ult with no followup... shit, I've seen this too often.

GayFluffyUnicornMay 15, 20161 votes

Yep. Especially because they underestimate the dmg. Lvl 1 it deals a total of 600 dmg. On lvl 3 with both perks it deal over 1800 dmg magic dmg+true dmg in the middle+ thunderlords AOE.

GayFluffyUnicornMay 15, 20162 votes

Btw, Heca is pretty good at carrying. Top or jungle he can be a beast. Problem is he is pretty feast or famine like eve. If you get rolling, great. If not, you are useless and a burden

ZoeeeeMay 14, 20168 votes

Yeah basically. It's much more visible when you play the island that is top lane. You could be 3-0, but if your premade is doing poorly there's nothing you can do besides split.

Check the most recent teemo game on my match history. I had to pick a safe laner so teemo was a natural choice. I get to top lane and bang a LANESWAP in silver. We got slightly ahead cus of ganks, but rengar kinda dropped the ball. You could tell they were premade by their lack of allchating and how they insta grouped to push or gank me.

Sad times.

KING ATTILAMay 14, 20165 votes

[{quoted}](name=Crusty Juggler,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4AMvkLI6,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-05-14T23:03:53.543+0000)

Yeah basically. It's much more visible when you play the island that is top lane. You could be 3-0, but if your premade is doing poorly there's nothing you can do besides split.

Check the most recent teemo game on my match history. I had to pick a safe lainer so teemo was a natural choice. I get to top lane and bang a LANESWAP in silver. We got slightly ahead cus of ganks, but rengar kinda dropped the ball. You could tell they were premade by their lack of allchating and how they inta grouped to push or gank me.

Sad times.

Such teamwork that Riot encourages, much wow.

ZoeeeeMay 14, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=KING ATTILA,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4AMvkLI6,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2016-05-14T23:04:44.434+0000)

Such teamwork that Riot encourages, much wow.

Nasus

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2186029420/51150849?tab=overview

iamthegoatofwarMay 15, 20161 votes

seems that rengar and thresh were both issues.

GayFluffyUnicornMay 15, 20161 votes

Yeah i had a laneswap in low plat too by the enemy premades. I was nautilus against cait/thresh suddenly. I was confused and surprised af. They killed me under the tower and i couldn't do anything against it. There is no fun when 3+ premades use next lvl strats and your poor solo team can't adapt to that since u lack the communication to face the situation. Same with 1/3/1 splitpush situations. Solos using these strats are easily outplayable because they execute this strat pretty poorly. But if you have well communicating premades, oh boy.

leaugesbaneMay 16, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Crusty Juggler,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=4AMvkLI6,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2016-05-14T23:03:53.543+0000)

Yeah basically. It's much more visible when you play the island that is top lane. You could be 3-0, but if your premade is doing poorly there's nothing you can do besides split.

Check the most recent teemo game on my match history. I had to pick a safe laner so teemo was a natural choice. I get to top lane and bang a LANESWAP in silver. We got slightly ahead cus of ganks, but rengar kinda dropped the ball. You could tell they were premade by their lack of allchating and how they insta grouped to push or gank me.

Sad times.

if you are so lucky and arent the support

EnchantéMay 15, 20165 votes

When I play solo and got matched with 4s, they bashed me and all chatted to report me for toxicity, and since all 4 said that, the enemy team believed it. Sometimes I didn't get anything but silence throughout the game, not even a "gg" in the end of the game. It was very frustrating.

However, in the other hand, sometimes I do party up with 3 of my friends and ended up queueing together as 4s. Since we all have the same club tag name, that one solo player definitely knew that we're premade. And so if one of my friends did poorly in lane, that solo player started to flame all four of us for being "equally bad". And if I tried to tell him to stop harassing, he will now flame the 4 of us for being toxic and all chatted "report this 4 premade toxic please" and yes, they obviously believed it. Because 'party-of-4-are-toxic' stereotype lives.

Sadly true, maybe not always true for all 4s. I believe there are good party of 3 or 4s out there.

UberfragMay 15, 20162 votes

As I main jungle I quite enjoy getting matched with 3 or 4 premades and tend to find they are easier to carry. I'd rather be on a team where 3 or 4 people are more coordinated than on a team where it's 5 randoms trying to read map pings. I've noticed I win more games when I'm matched with premades.

BluePolarizerMay 15, 20163 votes

I have to spam ping objectives to get the ADC to even think about autoing them once. How is this shit acceptable in high gold/low plat elo?

GayFluffyUnicornMay 15, 20162 votes

Now you know how i feel when i splitpush in high plat/ low diamond elo, get ganked by four men bot and my team can'ttake a single tower or baron in the time they are chasing me. I mostly play, LB, GP or Zed/ Nauti when i'm top, so you can imagine how long it takes until they finally get me.

BluePolarizerMay 15, 20163 votes

I was plat 1 last season, and plat 1 is just as much of a cesspool as plat 5 due to boosted gold "diamonds". Plat 3 was actually fun as a solo player, but premades ruined it.

GayFluffyUnicornMay 15, 20161 votes

Same, i have the most fun at around mid plat. Thought this was an EUW problem only, glad to see NAs have to suffer from the same shite.

leaugesbaneMay 16, 20162 votes

{quoted}

I have to spam ping objectives to get the ADC to even think about autoing them once. How is this shit acceptable in high gold/low plat elo?

make a smurf assuming it is as it was one year ago you can literaly play at a gold level but play 800 games and only jsut get to b1

among the reasons a buddy of mine quit a big one was the ranked smurfs and duos i can only imagine how bad it is now with what ive heard about duos

dont worry lyte did such a good job before being fired

XonraMay 15, 20165 votes

See my experience is the opposite.

If the premade is a jungler, I will never see a gank unless I'm bot and the other laner is in their premade.

I actually lose on average more games with preamdes because they end up arguing with at least one person that isn't in the premade. Every time I've had a duo or trio they are almost always toxic in chat and trolly or they say nothing and don't even ping.

It might be good in your experience and I'm not doubting you, but in my experience, it is the exact opposite. I don't jungle to be fair and that could have something to do with it, but I play a lot of mid and top and premades made the games frustrating for me.

GayFluffyUnicornMay 15, 20162 votes

I can confirm that. Just read my post above and i'm no whiny bronze. I was on my way to diamond already but now i'm bouncing between plat 1 and 3. Playing with boosted premades. 90% of games with premades are the following: Enemy solo laner and jungle are premade---> prepare to get camped for 20 mins. Pray to god your own jungler isn't boosted and will clear his jungle over and over again to make their camping jungler useless. Your jungle is premade with someone else and will only camp his premade and lose u the game. U have more than two premades and they will NEVER listen to your calls bc they are boosted af and don't understand the game. If 3 player refuse to help you can't win the game. U can't take towers fast enough or do baron. In this case it's especially funny that NEVER a solo listened to premade calls, they always follow my (the other solos) calls bc the solo got here by skill, not communication and know my calls are good in most cases.

BluePolarizerMay 15, 20163 votes

The way premades communicate and the way solos communicate is different. Solos communicate, in the best of cases, as if they were talking to strangers. This may be bad for immature people, but for more mature players it means they treat everyone equally and with respect. For premades, they only listen to their buddies, and frequently waste their communication advantage. Indeed, by NOT communicating properly with solos, they are at an actual disadvantage.

LeetriMay 15, 20164 votes

You're massively generalizing pre-mades. Personally, I haven't had a toxic pre-made on my team in ~2 years. You've probably played with tons of people you didn't even realize were premades, the confirmation bias makes it so you only remember the few bad ones.

ff4skMay 15, 201616 votes

Except he's not.

The fact so many people complain about premades is a VERY clear indiction that they're ruining the game for other people. If you wanna play with your friends then fine, all the power to you. but WE solo players don't want to play with you.

are you understanding what I'm saying here?

LeetriMay 15, 20164 votes

Oh, so just because I don't think the way you do I HAVE to be a pre-made player? Guess what, I've been a solo player for 5 years now. At the very most I've queued up with 2 other people for an ARAM and that was last season.

Obviously there are assholes out there ruining games, but they're not even remotely as common as the boards would make you think. But you can't have a legit discussion in this echo chamber, there's only 1 opinion allowed here.

FovereMay 15, 20164 votes

Solo players simply can't accomplish the same feats of abuse and harass as a premade.

Where you can manage or work around a single problem player, you cant do anything about a group of 3-4

Karn BishopMay 15, 20164 votes

Riot is treating solo Queue players like secondary citizens by saying we have no right to have fun in comparison to our elite premade overlords.

We are not secondary citizens, and you should be ashamed of acting like the ~~DNC~~ Tencent Underminding the foundations of your ~~democracy~~ game

Dr WMay 15, 20164 votes

Can't upvote this enough. It's ok to admit you made a mistake Riot just give us the old solo/teams again.

GayFluffyUnicornMay 15, 20163 votes

They won't. Otherwise low elo trash like the shen in my last game won't get babysitted by his premade nocturne anymore. or the 3/12 draven being useless af. And now i lost 20 LP again instead of the usual 15 because i played against 2! gold 3!!!! TWO OF THEM. As a plat 3 i play against players one whole tier below me. And i lose tons of MMR and LP because of this glorious system riot invented.

Edit: Now i know why, they were a 4 men premade team. Such fun. I'm solo in a 1+2+2 team vs 1+4. Nice.

arrowhead21kMay 15, 20163 votes

This literally has nothing to do with pre-mades and dynamic-que. This happened a lot in solo-que and wont change, no matter what que there is.

KikirinoMay 15, 20161 votes

Don't waste your time in these kinds of threads. You will be downvoted to hell and make 0 progress. These people are not looking for feedback. They are looking for other people to confirm their unwarranted hatred against premades.

GayFluffyUnicornMay 15, 20165 votes

If you would have actual arguments there would be many players like me who'd like to discuss. But all i read is "blabla soloQ will never come", "blabla solos are worse/the same", blablabla.

KikirinoMay 15, 20161 votes

Except... neither the poster I was talking to nor I said any of those things.

GayFluffyUnicornMay 15, 20164 votes

This literally has nothing to do with pre-mades and dynamic-que. This happened a lot in solo-que and wont change, no matter what que there is.

"solos are worse/the same"

exactly what i meant.

KikirinoMay 15, 20161 votes

You can word it however you want but we never said that. We said the issues brought up in this post are not exclusive to premades which is a valid counterargument when op is trying to use those issues to call premades cancerous.

I can pull the same shit you are. "blabla I am stuck in bronze because premades are unfair blabla" "blabla I want solo queue blabla" Adds nothing to the conversation but that is all I see. The only valid arguments against Dynamic Queue/premades, and they are very valid, is it messes up MMR and people are using it to boost elos. The stuff OP and people like him post is not a Dynamic Queue/premade problem. They are simply using them to demonize premade players and it is wrong.

TL:DR "blabla soloQ will never come", "blabla solos are worse/the same", blablabla.

GayFluffyUnicornMay 15, 20162 votes

Okay so u can't read nor understand. It's okay. Go to bed now.

KikirinoMay 15, 20161 votes

Quality response when you have nothing to say to counter anything I said. Like I said, no progress will be made with people like you so trying to have an actual discussion with you is a waste of time.

GayFluffyUnicornMay 15, 20164 votes

Funny u say that when it is actually you who hasn't a single argument then "that's not what i said" continues to repeat exactly what i meant

GayFluffyUnicornMay 15, 20163 votes

btw, i'm not bronze unlike u i guess. Plat 3 atm, lost promos to diamond already. Yes the actual issue IS boosted players. There are TOO many in this elo. And yes the messed up mmr is a real issue. Just look at my last game. Played against a 4 man premade team. They have over 50 games together. Two of them are one whole tier below me. And they won, thanks to camping the shit out of everyone. Oh i had premades too on my team, unfortunately the kind of boosted monkeys. So i lose 21 lp because i lose a game against two goldies although i usually lose around 15-17 points. Every argument has been stated already, everyone knows the issues. It's all about raising awareness every fuckin day until riot gives as solo Q or revert the changes

KikirinoMay 16, 20162 votes

Congratulations. You and I are the same Rank. Also, congratulations, you are able to comprehend the REAL issues with Dynamic Queue. You tried saying that I said 'solo is the same/worse' and I never did. I said the "issues" OP are bringing up are not exclusive to premades and that using them to demonize premades is wrong.

I cannot wait for Riot to bring back solo queue? Why? So that you idiots can go back to blaming the feeders and trolls. That's all this is. You people need someone to blame for your loss. There are fewer trolls with this system so you need to blame the premades. "Premades have an unfair advantage" "Premades just mess around so I can't carry them" I have seen both of those complaints both getting a lot of upvotes and both contradicting each other. Gotta blame someone though. Can't just lose a match and move on. Someone has to be the reason you lost but it just can't be you.

If/When Riot fixes the MMR and boosting issues with dynamics people will realize that you guys have no real argument here. Just looking for scapegoats for your loss.

Holy shit you seem like a smart enough person but you are siding with someone that thinks "If something good for us happens or someone plays well, and I say GJ or something nice, I get nothing but cold silence" is a valid complaint against premades? You have to be smart enough to see that these people are just trying to make premades look worse than they are.

BluePolarizerMay 16, 20162 votes

I never blamed feeders and trolls even though I was stuck in plat 2 for 200 games last season. I recognized I wasn't good enough to make diamond.

This season I blame my stucking squarely on dynamic queue.

GayFluffyUnicornMay 16, 20162 votes

The problem isn't (atleast this season) not being good enough for diamond, but the amount of boosted animals sitting in diamond with 45% winrate.because u HAVE to play with them. Then the smurfs, like that one kalista in our game. She alone just trashed us as if we were some bronzies. Average dmg we dealt was 12k, she dealt 50k in 25 mins or something. As if some lcs player carried his premade.

DragonSheaMay 17, 20162 votes

I seriously Don't give why the fuck duo people are so retarded!? Seriously, I have played with some and they just ruin everything and play even worse than the average player. it's like they agree before a match to troll you.

I am just at a loss for words.

KING ATTILAMay 17, 20161 votes

Me too. They can go 0/7 in lane and still blame you.

DragonSheaMay 17, 20162 votes

The is just the height of arrogance.